Post Match Warriors v Bulldogs - [Round 25, 2024]

[Tokyo Warrior]

See Kurt Mann is out the rest of the season with a fractured collarbone. Happened when Sifakula went right overtop of him. Feel like Sifakula really announced his arrival the other night

Shit is so dark at the moment, I am eating up posts like this. Need the hope! How did we fall so far?

 

[Bay39er]

Further blurred lines with Cameron Murray given 2 weeks suspension with an early plea or 3 if unsuccessfully challenged and sin binned. Crichton picks up one game suspension if accepted or 2 if unsuccessfully challenged and no sin bin

Difference being that this is Murray's 2nd offence and so he starts from a higher level of suspension

 

[Noitall]

Difference being that this is Murray's 2nd offence and so he starts from a higher level of suspension

True. Just why one was a sin bin and one not then

 

[Akkerz]

If anyone has Annesley's, Abdo's or V'Landys email address could they please cut this post out and send it to them

Doubt it would do much good mate.
I recall being at the '94 semi finals & the refs were sitting in the row infront of us. Somebody commented on the Warriors jersey I was wearing.
Annesley turned around to look & said very scathingly " they are the new team for next year. They aren't ever gonna win the comp".
Regret I never planted the prick there & then.
Oh Shit - So in wrting this I just realised I'm responsible for Warriors never winning the comp. !!!!!!

 

[Aman 2.0]

So here are the last few lines from Fox regarding the Warriors and the refereeing debacle from Friday night and this is after Cam Murray was sent to the bin for a very similar incident one night later

What I want to see from Webster going forward is to no longer put the team at fault for the loss but to lay the blame squarely at the officials. There is an on-field ref, two linesmen and a bunker fucking up the game and we the Warriors get particularly targeted.
Now this might be retribution for the comments Jason Paris made last season in regards to the refereeing but if it's truly this bad, and it is, then it has to be called out and it needs to end. So Jason, please, it's time to step up once again and put the spotlight on the actual guilty party. Andrew, it's time to stop playing nice to them while blaming your players. Mark Robinson, you have to give the green light because it's your money, your investment, AW's salary, the players efforts and our team that are getting backdoored!

Put an end to this shit now before they try to fuck us next season too..

Webster he shown us this year just how green he is.

The CNK is fullback no matter what comments

We’re now the hunted - after one top 4 performance giving the guys massive egos and big heads

This holier than thought routine not saying anything about the officials and making bullshit excuses like he was not watching the game and didn’t see the incident because he was busy with interchanges etc. tried doing that for as long as possible until he realised oh shit nothings gonna change until I say something. In fact it’ll just continue to get worse

Probably so much other shit too. You can tell players are visibly not as happy or upbeat this year. There’s something happening behind the scenes and AW surely has a part to play.


He’s given RTS first pick or centre and wing which upset guys like Monty and Pomp’s who despite everyone’s views have been solid. Much better than RTS.

stick with with Webster but he’s definitely not what we thought he was last year. Good coach but still ling way to go.

 

[kos]

Wow a 2 page spread on the Crighton Rts incident in Brisbane Sunday paper The Curious Mail
Co authorhed Michael Carrianis David Roccio and Buzz Rothfield
Quotes from Cam George
Also had a couple of minutes on ABC 7 pm Bris news where Nzw stories never appear

 

[Brightman]

Wow a 2 page spread on the Crighton Rts incident in Brisbane Sunday paper The Curious Mail
Co authorhed Michael Carrianis David Roccio and Buzz Rothfield
Quotes from Cam George
Also had a couple of minutes on ABC 7 pm Bris news where Nzw stories never appear

could you share a link

 

[SJ2k]

Social media blowing up about all of this. To top things off, Murray sin binned last night for a shoulder to the head of frizzell.

This isn’t a conspiracy against the warriors, to be clear.

This is incompetence of the referees. The ref boss is stuck between a rock & a hard place. He is obligated to defend his employees, as any employer should (eg your workplace defending you), however he’s also obligated to uphold the integrity of the sport itself.

This recent uproar isn’t going Make people want to become a referee, and without refs we have no sport. However on the other hand, these inconsistencies & lack of accountability is affecting the quality and integrity of the sport itself, which in turn is losing the patience of the fans. Without the fans, there is no nrl.

Fans spend money to attend the sport they love. They don’t expect perfection, nor will they get it. But what we do expect is consistency with rules. Within the space of three days, the rules of a sin bin has changed every night, down to the discretion of the referee. This is unacceptable. Webby nailed it. It’s about the safety of the players & players aren’t punished for on field offences, then player safety (which as an employer of the players), the NRL is not upholding their duty of care.

I went to the game on Friday, and sat with yet another sold out crowd of 24000 people. NZ is doing it extremely tough economically, yet we’re selling out stadiums, buying merch, & paying for sky subscriptions.

All we’re asking for, is consistency & accountability of the referees. We don’t expect favours. We don’t want to be felt sorry for. All we want, is a fairly adjudicated sport where both teams are given the same opportunity to win the match, where the best team wins the game regardless of referee decisions. This is currently not happening.

For a sport that is producing record breaking profit margins, is expanding globally & bringing in new teams to support this growing viewership, this sub par standard of refereeing is now a glaring issue of the sport. Rugby union has this one up on the NRL, I cannot remember the last referring howler in the super rugby or Bunnings rugby competition.

NRL seriously need to sort their own backyard out & make the necessary changes. The reality is the sport will continue to lose fans at this rate, making the sport unsustainable.

rant over

If the NRL stops being so cheap, and goes back to 2 refs that would make a huge difference. Agree reffing is a tough gig, but it's always a matter of pay. Make it well payed and you will get some quality in there guaranteed.

 

[SJ2k]

Wow a 2 page spread on the Crighton Rts incident in Brisbane Sunday paper The Curious Mail
Co authorhed Michael Carrianis David Roccio and Buzz Rothfield
Quotes from Cam George
Also had a couple of minutes on ABC 7 pm Bris news where Nzw stories never appear

Shame it's the wrong end of the season. Will be forgotten when we get shafted again next year.

 

[kos]

could you share a link

Courier mail.com.au
It’s behind a paywall

 

[Brightman]

Apparently Stephen Crichton will only miss 1 game with an early guilty plea to a Grade 2 Careless High Tackle charge whilst Cam Murray misses 2 games with the exact same charge..

 

[BigUCE]

Apparently Stephen Crichton will only miss 1 game with an early guilty plea to a Grade 2 Careless High Tackle charge whilst Cam Murray misses 2 games with the exact same charge..

It’s been discussed above as to why Murray faces a longer suspension

 

[Beastmode]

It’s been discussed above as to why Murray faces a longer suspension

I’m just wondering is this also how the criminal system works?
So if you beat the shit out of someone the penalty is less than if you had a prior record? …

 

[Matiunz]

They really are an utterly delusional fan base - this and the Salmon thing really illustrate it.
Surely theres more dignity say "yup we got lucky with that"

All the dogs supporters I’ve spoken to last couple of days have admitted they thought it should’ve been a bin and they were lucky to get away with it.
Fox/NRL have been deathly silent but other Aus news outlets are calling them out on it

 

[MrFrankWhite]

https://archive.md/gUmIb

The Tackle: NRL bunker lottery continues as finals approach, it’s time to find a solution​

The head-high bunker lottery is leaving fans and players frustrated, with the reasons why a tackle is, or isn’t, a sin bin less clear than ever. It’s time for the NRL to find a solution, writes FATIMA KDOUH in The Tackle.
Fatima Kdouh

@FatimaKdouh_

2 min read
August 25, 2024 - 12:21PM
News Sport Network
https://archive.md/gUmIb#share-tools

NRL: The Fox League panel were shocked Stephen Crichton escaped a sin bin following a shoulder to RTS.
The head-high bunker lottery is not only leaving fans frustrated but disillusioned with the game – and with the finals only two weeks away the NRL needs to find a solution and fast.
Every week the reasons why a dangerous tackle is, or isn’t, a sin bin are seemingly less clear. Buzz words coming from officials like “moderate” force and “mitigating” factors are not providing any more clarity and are only leaving fans confused.
It’s also leaving bunker officials looking for reasons not to put a player in the sin bin, like in the case of Stephen Crichton.
The fact Crichton made direct contact with Roger Tuivasa-Sheck’s head should have been enough to send him to the sin bin.
Leave the mitigating factors for the match review committee to determine after a more extensive look at the tackle.
There will always be genuine accidents in the game and there should be scope for the referee to rule on such accidents.

Stephen Crichton escaped the sin bin for hitting Roger Tuivasa Sheck in the head.
But if an independent doctor determines a player has to come off the field for a head injury assessment as a result of a high tackle then the offending defender should also go to the sin bin.
It also puts an onus on the defender to lower their target zone.
While the delay in sin binning South Sydney skipper Cameron Murray for his careless high shot on Tyson Frizell, which ruled the Newcastle forward out of the game, again frustrated fans, the bunker did ultimately make the right call.

Cameron Murray is sin binned for whacking Tyson Frizell in the head
The bunker also made the call to sin bin Knights rookie Sebastian Su’a for a direct shoulder to Davvy Moale’s head, even if the Rabbitohs prop seemingly showed no ill-effects as a result of the tackle.
It was initially missed by referee Chris Butler but the bunker reviewed the incident and Su’a made direct contact to the head. It didn’t, and it shouldn’t, matter that Moale wasn’t left wobbly on his feet. Direct contact should be the determining factor.
Then there’s the matter of consistency.
The bunker was to again right rule retrospectively against Sean Keppie for taking out the legs on Knights fullback late after a kick. But this time, Keppie was only put on report. No penalty, no sin bin.
If the bunker can review the Su’a incident after the fact and find it a sin bin offence, then Keppie should have at a minimum been penalised.
At the start of the year, contact to a kicker’s leg was a clear sin bin. On Saturday night, it wasn’t.
One solution to improve consistency is to install a team of specialist bunker officials, rather than rotating through every NRL referee. Eight different referees would have sat in the bunker at the conclusion of round 25.
Having the same people in the bunker every week will help reduce the variability in the decision making process and hopefully introduces more consistency on similar incidents.

 

[Noitall]

https://archive.md/gUmIb

The Tackle: NRL bunker lottery continues as finals approach, it’s time to find a solution​

The head-high bunker lottery is leaving fans and players frustrated, with the reasons why a tackle is, or isn’t, a sin bin less clear than ever. It’s time for the NRL to find a solution, writes FATIMA KDOUH in The Tackle.
Fatima Kdouh
@FatimaKdouh_

2 min read
August 25, 2024 - 12:21PM
News Sport Network
https://archive.md/gUmIb#share-tools

NRL: The Fox League panel were shocked Stephen Crichton escaped a sin bin following a shoulder to RTS.
The head-high bunker lottery is not only leaving fans frustrated but disillusioned with the game – and with the finals only two weeks away the NRL needs to find a solution and fast.
Every week the reasons why a dangerous tackle is, or isn’t, a sin bin are seemingly less clear. Buzz words coming from officials like “moderate” force and “mitigating” factors are not providing any more clarity and are only leaving fans confused.
It’s also leaving bunker officials looking for reasons not to put a player in the sin bin, like in the case of Stephen Crichton.
The fact Crichton made direct contact with Roger Tuivasa-Sheck’s head should have been enough to send him to the sin bin.
Leave the mitigating factors for the match review committee to determine after a more extensive look at the tackle.
There will always be genuine accidents in the game and there should be scope for the referee to rule on such accidents.

Stephen Crichton escaped the sin bin for hitting Roger Tuivasa Sheck in the head.
But if an independent doctor determines a player has to come off the field for a head injury assessment as a result of a high tackle then the offending defender should also go to the sin bin.
It also puts an onus on the defender to lower their target zone.
While the delay in sin binning South Sydney skipper Cameron Murray for his careless high shot on Tyson Frizell, which ruled the Newcastle forward out of the game, again frustrated fans, the bunker did ultimately make the right call.

Cameron Murray is sin binned for whacking Tyson Frizell in the head
The bunker also made the call to sin bin Knights rookie Sebastian Su’a for a direct shoulder to Davvy Moale’s head, even if the Rabbitohs prop seemingly showed no ill-effects as a result of the tackle.
It was initially missed by referee Chris Butler but the bunker reviewed the incident and Su’a made direct contact to the head. It didn’t, and it shouldn’t, matter that Moale wasn’t left wobbly on his feet. Direct contact should be the determining factor.
Then there’s the matter of consistency.
The bunker was to again right rule retrospectively against Sean Keppie for taking out the legs on Knights fullback late after a kick. But this time, Keppie was only put on report. No penalty, no sin bin.
If the bunker can review the Su’a incident after the fact and find it a sin bin offence, then Keppie should have at a minimum been penalised.
At the start of the year, contact to a kicker’s leg was a clear sin bin. On Saturday night, it wasn’t.
One solution to improve consistency is to install a team of specialist bunker officials, rather than rotating through every NRL referee. Eight different referees would have sat in the bunker at the conclusion of round 25.
Having the same people in the bunker every week will help reduce the variability in the decision making process and hopefully introduces more consistency on similar incidents.

So is it all have correctly been sin bins apart from the one on RTS?

 

[Aman 2.0]

So is it all have correctly been sin bins apart from the one on RTS?

Yup.

Same shit different year.

We are the exception to the rules or the ones setting precedents for others after the fact.

 

[Noitall]

Yup.

Same shit different year.

We are the exception to the rules or the ones setting precedents for others after the fact.

We get a stand down of the bunker individual when there’s a no call on TMM hit high and late, that’s reffing a game the following week. We supposedly see a stand down again of a bunker individual, so how does this help us in the game again? The first one directly costs us a game, the second we’ll never know what a player like Chrichton does off the field for 10 minutes in the second. Both situations have the time for the bunker to see the high contact but choose to ignore it? Everyone seems to be at pains to say the Warriors aren’t alone in these baffling calls, but the ones like high contact seem to be often seeing the correct outcomes apart for instances involving us?

 

[Aman 2.0]

We get a stand down of the bunker individual when there’s a no call on TMM hit high and late, that’s reffing a game the following week. We supposedly see a stand down again of a bunker individual, so how does this help us in the game again? The first one directly costs us a game, the second we’ll never know what a player like Chrichton does off the field for 10 minutes in the second. Both situations have the time for the bunker to see the high contact but choose to ignore it? Everyone seems to be at pains to say the Warriors aren’t alone in these baffling calls, but the ones like high contact seem to be often seeing the correct outcomes apart for instances involving us?

I think a lot of it has to do with the way we’re playing and we’re we are on the ladder.

Nobody wants to watch our games, commentate on our games, we don’t get coverage, we don’t get spoken about and we’re no where near finals contention.

We have no one to stand up for us and we have no out and superstar that can create talking points in the media.

We are cannon fodder this year unfortunately.

Have a look how the tigers get treated, how the dogs have been treated in the past. Now that they are winning they are getting the calls.

 

[Aman 2.0]

We get a stand down of the bunker individual when there’s a no call on TMM hit high and late, that’s reffing a game the following week. We supposedly see a stand down again of a bunker individual, so how does this help us in the game again? The first one directly costs us a game, the second we’ll never know what a player like Chrichton does off the field for 10 minutes in the second. Both situations have the time for the bunker to see the high contact but choose to ignore it? Everyone seems to be at pains to say the Warriors aren’t alone in these baffling calls, but the ones like high contact seem to be often seeing the correct outcomes apart for instances involving us?

Titans are getting fucked right now as well