Post Match Titans v Warriors - [Round 16, 2024]

[Lord Gnome of Waiheke]

The worst performance for years, the worst ever? Would have to be in contention... walker in the second row was a disaster (just to say one thing obvious) ... never again dudes!

There has to be a response.

Reminded me of a game where a young Warriors team featuring Shaun Johnson and Kevin Locke blew an aging team of Broncos off the park at Suncorp a decade or so ago.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Ya that’s the worst part 10,000 extra kiwis bought tickets and brought their families to the game to witness a historical thrashing, I doubt Webby still has the carte blanche to repeat the same junk again, this is when the suits and CEO usually step in, I just hope they point out the obvious and not 50 people in the kitchen.

In all honesty, it might be best for Webster if he can maintain relationships with players and let the CEO be the bad guy and make the tough career changing calls.

Good cop/ bad cop thing.

I think SJ, RTS, Jazz and Harris are all feeling the pressure of playing for their future and it got too much for them. They know the games passed them and it was exposed big time in that game.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I also think CNK is hearing the rumours about Tuaupiki and RTS taking his spot and he feels the pressure as well.

With the team in front of him imploding and heaping the workload on him, it looked like he was feeling it.

It’s not healthy for so many players to have their future on the line every week with the pressure growing with every loss. But that’s an inevitable part of losing and poor form…

I felt this game it all became to much with to many players all in a bad head space.

 

[Christchurch_Warrior]

I also think CNK is hearing the rumours about Tuaupiki and RTS taking his spot and he feels the pressure as well.

With the team in front of him imploding and heaping the workload on him, it looked like he was feeling it.

It’s not healthy for so many players to have their future on the line every week with the pressure growing with every loss. But that’s an inevitable part of losing and poor form…

I felt this game it all became to much with to many players all in a bad head space.

That is the nature of professional sport. You have young hungry guys trying to take your spot and you need to be on point if you want to retain your spot. If they are feeling the pressure of their future being on the line they are in the wrong line of work.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

That is the nature of professional sport. You have young hungry guys trying to take your spot and you need to be on point if you want to retain your spot. If they are feeling the pressure of their future being on the line they are in the wrong line of work.

Agree. But when your team mates are diabolical and it makes your role 10x harder then it’s got to be bad for team morale.

Individual players are looking poorer because of team issues. If we were a winning team nobody would be calling for Tuaupiki or RTS to fullback.

 

[j_p]

I also think CNK is hearing the rumours about Tuaupiki and RTS taking his spot and he feels the pressure as well.

Cnk can make the 6 jumper his own with tmm at 7.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Cnk can make the 6 jumper his own with tmm at 7.

Agree but he was pretty adamant and had Webbys backing about playing 1.

A bunch of muppets make a hash of the season and he’s going where he doesn’t want to be for the good of the team….

I like CNK and think he will do what’s needed for the good of the team but can see how he’s annoyed at the situation and others for dropping the ball.

Repeat this with multiple players in a low form team, with the highest paid players leading the form downturn and you can see how there will be disharmony amongst the team.

 

[JustLikeStartingOver]

underpowered middle is a red herring the titans started the game with one prop (a rookie at that) and two former hookers in Clark and Randall. But they ran hard tackled hard.

Team just didn’t show up and got embarrassed, wanking on about this player over that player won’t help, it’s all in the mindset and they had a losing one. Even the Montoya no try (laughable decision aside) they should be trying to hammer an undersized team in the middle not sling it wide for a half chance. Then they just gave up.

Usually hard working players like charnze and ford were soft a long with everyone else.

 

[Christchurch_Warrior]

Agree. But when your team mates are diabolical and it makes your role 10x harder then it’s got to be bad for team morale.

Individual players are looking poorer because of team issues. If we were a winning team nobody would be calling for Tuaupiki or RTS to fullback.

No one forced CNK to drop the ball. If he wants to keep his spot he needs to play like he wants it. Fair enough people calling for Taine to take his spot as he is playing well in cup.

 

[SouthernWorrier]

Surprised people have the knives out for Tohu, I thought his effort was there in a weak, embarrassing team.
Jazz and Walker.. worst games I've seen from either of them and a positional switch for Walker is no excuse for serving that up.
Johnson.. not right, clearly, and then having the ball of muscle that is Fifita running at him... not a good day at the office but it's hardly all on him.

Makes you wonder how much organising and geeing up DWZ & Barney do. Never, ever seen a lack of effort from those lads but honestly the whole team looked like they'd already run a marathon before the game started so who is to say they wouldn't have suffered the same.

Love RTS but Centre is not the spot for footwork. Give him a wing or a full back spot or leave him out... I'd have preferred to see him on the wing outside MGT.

 

[Tookey 2.0]

I think I was one of the lucky ones and turned the TV off at 36-0, so didn't catch the end of that woeful performance.

I'm surprised at the Tohu comments tho, I thought when he started he were at our best - there was a period for 10 minutes or so that we went set for set with them, and each set you could see that we were stopping their yardage a little, and we were making a little more.
Then they ended up scoring 2 kick tries just before Tohu went off. I thought he saved our arse several times and make a load of cover tackles and kept on turning up.

I thought Jazz looked terrible in his early stint, had 2 poor missed tackles and a poor penalty that all resulted in tries. I also thought CHT was quite poor too, a very bad missed tackles that let to Lius big break that lead to a try.

Everything we touched essentially turned to shit.

I've chosen not read all of the previous posts in this thread, but on a quick look 11 of our players made errors and almost everyone had a few missed tackles, I trust that all of our players are getting shat on post match, or is it just the Tohu, SJ, and RTS brigade again?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Agree. But when your team mates are diabolical and it makes your role 10x harder then it’s got to be bad for team morale.

Individual players are looking poorer because of team issues. If we were a winning team nobody would be calling for Tuaupiki or RTS to fullback.

A changing of the guard is normal in pro sports. 1 or 2 players winding down their career is manageable.

I think we have Tohu, SJ, RTS and Jazz (plus possibly Capewell) that will be frustrated with their performance and looking internally at big career decisions.

At a lessor level players playing for contracts - Montoya, DWZ, etc.

On top of this the frustration of injuries and feeling your body is determining your future.

To many key, senior players - leaders and playmakers - at a crossroad at once.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

underpowered middle is a red herring the titans started the game with one prop (a rookie at that) and two former hookers in Clark and Randall. But they ran hard tackled hard.

Team just didn’t show up and got embarrassed, wanking on about this player over that player won’t help, it’s all in the mindset and they had a losing one. Even the Montoya no try (laughable decision aside) they should be trying to hammer and undersized team in the middle not sling it wide for a half chance. Then they just gave up.

Usually hard working players like charnze and ford were soft a long with everyone else.

Bruh what.

They had Fafita, we had Tofu..

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Surprised people have the knives out for Tohu, I thought his effort was there in a weak, embarrassing team.

Captain sets the tone. Too slow, too soft and too weak as he has been all year.

Jazz and Walker.. worst games I've seen from either of them and a positional switch for Walker is no excuse for serving that up.
Johnson.. not right, clearly, and then having the ball of muscle that is Fifita running at him... not a good day at the office but it's hardly all on him.

Play Egan at prop and say positional switches dont matter.

Makes you wonder how much organising and geeing up DWZ & Barney do. Never, ever seen a lack of effort from those lads but honestly the whole team looked like they'd already run a marathon before the game started so who is to say they wouldn't have suffered the same.

DWZ does zero from the edge and the team follows Barney cos he leads by example.

 

[Inruin]

A changing of the guard is normal in pro sports. 1 or 2 players winding down their career is manageable.

I think we have Tohu, SJ, RTS and Jazz (plus possibly Capewell) that will be frustrated with their performance and looking internally at big career decisions.

At a lessor level players playing for contracts - Montoya, DWZ, etc.

On top of this the frustration of injuries and feeling your body is determining your future.

To many key, senior players - leaders and playmakers - at a crossroad at once.

I had talked earlier in the season about a number of players having career best seasons and whether that was sustainable.

Building 10% year on year on personal performance to a level is sustainable in my opinion. But we had several players jumping by a huge amount and are probably now coming back to where that sustainable level is for them.

In others cases, age and the speed of the game is catching them out and their natural level of performance is dropping off.

Add to that the chopping and changing with injuries, the limited use of the bench, positional selections, opposition doing more analysis on us etc and we are struggling.

Some tough but needed calls are going to need to be made in order to lift the collective team performance

 

[#robbiemears]

It only takes one rotten apple to spoil the barrel. The stats on the night reveals a lot about who that apple might be.

 

[MXRecord]

It only takes one rotten apple to spoil the barrel. The stats on the night reveals a lot about who that apple might be.

I don't know if you mean Johnson but I've just seen he had three run meters, three! lol.

 

[juju]

It only takes one rotten apple to spoil the barrel. The stats on the night reveals a lot about who that apple might be.

SJ, RTS and AFB look like the worst statistical under performers SJ and RTS for miss tackles and AFB for under production in the run meters.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

It only takes one rotten apple to spoil the barrel. The stats on the night reveals a lot about who that apple might be.

I assume either SJ or AFB.

But thats a cop out. Neither are captain or coach. So theres two levels of responsibility above that who are doing nothing.

 

[Inruin]

Hard for AFB to get run metres when your team is always kicking off and when we have the ball they are dropping it