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[MrFrankWhite]

Total nonsense. Inflation has clearly been a global issue, few countries have escaped regardless of wage or monetary policy, paying people a decent wage is not the problem. It's about bloody time WORKERS earned a bit more. If your business depends on poverty wages, good riddance. The rich have been get richer and the rest standing still for decades. By the way low inflation is cold comfort when you're put out of work by the current government and at the same time told you're an undeserving bludger if you seek government support.

APS "employees" are hardly workers, produce 3/10s of fuck all. 90% of business's are small business with 0-3 employees and they certainly arent getting richer.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

What a surprise...

'Significant' increase: New Zealand sees 700 insolvencies in Q2 2024

'There is light at the end of the tunnel,' says expert, as economic conditions stabilise

www.hcamag.com

 

[Noitall]

What a surprise...

'Significant' increase: New Zealand sees 700 insolvencies in Q2 2024

'There is light at the end of the tunnel,' says expert, as economic conditions stabilise

www.hcamag.com

Surprised to see that it’s the biggest amount of insolvencies since 2016, the last time national was in government

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Total nonsense. Inflation has clearly been a global issue, few countries have escaped regardless of wage or monetary policy, paying people a decent wage is not the problem. It's about bloody time WORKERS earned a bit more. If your business depends on poverty wages, good riddance. The rich have been get richer and the rest standing still for decades. By the way low inflation is cold comfort when you're put out of work by the current government and at the same time told you're an undeserving bludger if you seek government support.

With the massive minimum wage increases we’ve had, poverty and material hardship must have almost disappeared under Labour?

Or maybe you can’t just increase wages without an increase in productivity or it will just directly drive up costs and no one’s any better off?

I’m all for higher pay, but it’s achieved with highly productive companies in highly profitable industries. Eg Australia digging money out of the ground with huge machinery doing the donkey work and enabling huge wages.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Put it this way, as an owner of small business in Aus, there is zero chance I am employing someing to work weekends. Total cost to my business is $100/hr. Thats 16 workable hours lost 100% due to wage cost. It would be illegal for me to privately negotiate a cheaper rate with anyone. Multiple that out across a million small businesses..

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Surprised to see that it’s the biggest amount of insolvencies since 2016, the last time national was in government

No one went insolvent during COVID. Free money

 

[Garry Saloon]

Put it this way, as an owner of small business in Aus, there is zero chance I am employing someing to work weekends. Total cost to my business is $100/hr. Thats 16 workable hours lost 100% due to wage cost. It would be illegal for me to privately negotiate a cheaper rate with anyone. Multiple that out across a million small businesses..

Isn't everyone moving to Australia because of the greener pastures?

 

[Garry Saloon]

No one went insolvent during COVID. Free money

Yep people were kept in work and could pay their mortgages. Exactly what a government should be doing in a crisis.

 

[Tragic]

The ACT treaty principles bill is odd to me, how can you legislate not to honor something already agreed? And Seymour will know it has no legs so it's a waste of time and money so what is he up to with it? Is he just softening everyone up for something else that won't seem as bad after that?
And why did luxon agree to it in the coalition agreement, seems naive.

 

[marv.]

The ACT treaty principles bill is odd to me, how can you legislate not to honor something already agreed? And Seymour will know it has no legs so it's a waste of time and money so what is he up to with it? Is he just softening everyone up for something else that won't seem as bad after that?
And why did luxon agree to it in the coalition agreement, seems naive.

has there been anything saying act are not going to or don’t want to honor anything? genuine question.
i don’t pay act or NZF much mind.

seems everyone’s dining out on the topic but no one has much to say other than it’ll probably be really bad.

also winston is the fucking coalition master. they don’t call it king maker for nothing i guess.

‘Jacinda was ready to sell her grandmother': What drives Winston Peters’ coalition negotiations

Inside NZ First coalition talks and lessons insiders say Christopher Luxon needs to learn.

www.nzherald.co.nz

imagine being beholden to someone like that?!
horrible cunt.
never seems to not get his way though.

 

[Worried2Death]

They're good people to believe

Unless you're an antivaxx nutbar, a faith healer, or even worse, an ACT voter

 

[dean]

The ACT treaty principles bill is odd to me, how can you legislate not to honor something already agreed? And Seymour will know it has no legs so it's a waste of time and money so what is he up to with it? Is he just softening everyone up for something else that won't seem as bad after that?
And why did luxon agree to it in the coalition agreement, seems naive.

It's not a question of not honouring the Treaty, rather interpretation.
Are we one or two different people?

 

[Garry Saloon]

It's not a question of not honouring the Treaty, rather interpretation.
Are we one or two different people?

We're many different people and one people at the same time. It is a matter of fact that the chiefs who signed Te Tiriti did NOT cede sovereignty. Waitangi tribunal finding:

‘The rangatira who signed te Tiriti o Waitangi in February 1840 did not cede their sovereignty to Britain’, the Tribunal concluded. ‘That is, they did not cede authority to make and enforce law over their people or their territories.’

The rangatira did, however, agree ‘to share power and authority with Britain’.

You not liking that, or David Seymour not liking that does not make it less true.

Report on Stage 1 of the Te Paparahi o Te Raki Inquiry Released | Waitangi Tribunal

The Waitangi Tribunal has released the Stage 1 report of the Te Paparahi o Te Raki Northland Inquiry.

waitangitribunal.govt.nz

 

[dean]

We're many different people and one people at the same time. It is a matter of fact that the chiefs who signed Te Tiriti did NOT cede sovereignty. Waitangi tribunal finding:

‘The rangatira who signed te Tiriti o Waitangi in February 1840 did not cede their sovereignty to Britain’, the Tribunal concluded. ‘That is, they did not cede authority to make and enforce law over their people or their territories.’

The rangatira did, however, agree ‘to share power and authority with Britain’.

You not liking that, or David Seymour not liking that does not make it less true.

Report on Stage 1 of the Te Paparahi o Te Raki Inquiry Released | Waitangi Tribunal

The Waitangi Tribunal has released the Stage 1 report of the Te Paparahi o Te Raki Northland Inquiry.

waitangitribunal.govt.nz

Waitangi Tribunal claims are not fact, of course they will say that.
Dualist systems were not a feature of colonisation and would not have been agreed to. The suggestion that two systems of law, governance, education and everything else would prevail is nonsense.

 

[Garry Saloon]

Waitangi Tribunal claims are not fact, of course they will say that.
Dualist systems were not a feature of colonisation and would not have been agreed to. The suggestion that two systems of law, governance, education and everything else would prevail is nonsense.

The tribunal isn't any kind of claimant or advocate. They make judgements, draw conclusions and make recommendations based on evidence. They are a permanent commission of inquiry. The attempt to paint them as partisan or biased or agenda driven is pure cope for people who don't like the truth.

 

[Garry Saloon]

The tribunal isn't any kind of claimant or advocate. They make judgements, draw conclusions and make recommendations based on evidence. They are a permanent commission of inquiry. The attempt to paint them as partisan or biased or agenda driven is pure cope for people who don't like the truth.

Inruin does laughing emojis when he doesn't like what you say but has no argument against it I've noticed. You can do better inruin!

 

[Inruin]

Inruin does laughing emojis when he doesn't like what you say but has no argument against it I've noticed. You can do better inruin!

I don't need to, I've seen enough already. And the laughing emoji is apt and it's not because I don't like what you say,

 

[Garry Saloon]

I don't need to, I've seen enough already. And the laughing emoji is apt and it's not because I don't like what you say,

Good on ya mate

 

[MaybeTop8]

Waitangi Tribunal claims are not fact, of course they will say that.
Dualist systems were not a feature of colonisation and would not have been agreed to. The suggestion that two systems of law, governance, education and everything else would prevail is nonsense.

Are you trying to actively rewrite history Dean?

 

[dean]

Are you trying to actively rewrite history Dean?

You have mistaken me for TMP.