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[Worried2Death]

U scared of China bro

Bit scared of the CCP

 

[BabylonPink]

Bit scared of the CCP

Don't be scared mate , it's all in the ether
Look out your windows.

 

[Worried2Death]

Don't be scared mate , it's all in the ether
Look out your windows.

What if I look out and see the red army landing on the coast

 

[MaybeTop8]

Anyone seen this yet?

The Long Game

The Long Game: Revelations of China-backed cyber hacking of the New Zealand Parliament have prompted surprise and concern. But a Stuff Circuit investigation shows Chinese Communist Party influence and interference operations in New Zealand have been going on for decades, unabated, striking at...

interactives.stuff.co.nz

Stuff have been doing great journalism. https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/35...ign-interference-claims-warns-journalists-not

 

[MaybeTop8]

So we were planning on ferries with 100 year life spans. Overseas most ferries have banned EV’s because if they catch fire they are impossible to put out.

What happens if in 10 years half our fleet is EV’s? Would the ferries become unusable and obsolete?

Nothing about the politics but just wondering.

Citation on the 100 year life span please.

 

[BabylonPink]

What if I look out and see the red army landing on the coast

If that ever happens you'd either be surrendering or joining some resistance movement I'd imagine?
Probably not much chance of influencing the present action or consequence either way

 

[Worried2Death]

Stuff have been doing great journalism. https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/35...ign-interference-claims-warns-journalists-not

"Stop investigating or it will be bad for NZ"
Sounds like a threat?

AHHHHHH!

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Citation on the 100 year life span please.

‘the iReX Project which was set up to deliver a resilient Interislander ferry service and robust port infrastructure with a 100-year design life.

KiwiRail looks to future for Interislander

www.kiwirail.co.nz

 

[Worried2Death]

If that ever happens you'd either be surrendering or joining some resistance movement I'd imagine?
Probably not much chance of influencing the present action or consequence either way

She'll be right mate, the yanks will save us.

Will they?

 

[MaybeTop8]

‘the iReX Project which was set up to deliver a resilient Interislander ferry service and robust port infrastructure with a 100-year design life.

KiwiRail looks to future for Interislander

www.kiwirail.co.nz

You've translated that into "ferries with 100 year life span". Think about it. And maybe correct your thinking if you feel like it - it's not the same thing.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

You can remind me. I ignored it. Both Labour and National are neoliberal.

If thats your position than fair. But doesnt seem that you hold Labor to the same scrutiny

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

You've translated that into "ferries with 100 year life span". Think about it. And maybe correct your thinking if you feel like it - it's not the same thing.

Semantics.

If the ferries are unviable in my EV question then the 100 year specialised port infrastructure is obsolete.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Semantics.

If the ferries are unviable in my EV question then the 100 year specialised port infrastructure is obsolete.

Not semantics. Your framing turned x into y and you applied y to prove your own point, which is effectively nullified by the original conversion

 

[MaybeTop8]

Also (I really need to stop digging into this) ferries aren't unviable. Evs might not be safe to transport on an ocean going ferry, which is a separate conversation/issue/discussion, but that would be more around how to mitigate safety issues for modern vehicles.

I love how this is a complete National fuck up costing us hundreds of millions and who knows what else and it's somehow being spun into some sort of genius move because, you know, ferries aren't viable.

 

[Mr Drag]

U scared of China bro

Their own people are scared, so should we!

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Also (I really need to stop digging into this) ferries aren't unviable. Evs might not be safe to transport on an ocean going ferry, which is a separate conversation/issue/discussion, but that would be more around how to mitigate safety issues for modern vehicles.

I love how this is a complete National fuck up costing us hundreds of millions and who knows what else and it's somehow being spun into some sort of genius move because, you know, ferries aren't viable.

except my original post said:

‘Nothing about the politics but just wondering’

I don’t think it’s a factor I was just personally wondering for my own interest how EV’s will be handled.

You seem very defensive!

 

[MaybeTop8]

except my original post said:

‘Nothing about the politics but just wondering’

I don’t think it’s a factor I was just personally wondering for my own interest how EV’s will be handled.

You seem very defensive!

Nah all good. But it's a general question really relating to ev batteries and their safety, not necessarily ferries, blah blah, have a nice evening, at least SJ is taking a break.

 

[John Nick]

Funny thing is I understand that Winnie signed off on the original new ferry purchase before Nicola canned it

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Funny thing is I understand that Winnie signed off on the original new ferry purchase before Nicola canned it

Yes. $700m for the same size ferries to replace existing that didn’t have rail.

Labour subsequently upsized them and rail enabled them which required all the new infrastructure and blew out the cost to $3b+.

I don’t think anyone would have an issue with $700m replacement in a like for like. My moneys on that ending up the solution again. Ferries the same size as existing with no infrastructure upgrade.

 

[John Nick]

Yes. $700m for the same size ferries to replace existing that didn’t have rail.

Labour subsequently upsized them and rail enabled them which required all the new infrastructure and blew out the cost to $3b+.

I don’t think anyone would have an issue with $700m replacement in a like for like.

Bit ironic that throughout all of this nobody has thought about Ocean going tugs for emergency
Cook Strait is a notorious stretch of water and an incident is inevitable