Post Match Manly v Warriors - [Round 24, 2024]

[Aman 2.0]

Aidan Sezer
No he does not. This is an extreme exaggeration.

Haha ok

Aiden Sezar then SJ.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Damo]

Haha ok

Aiden Sezar then SJ.

Thanks for proving my point

You said name a worse #7? I literally did.

 

[Aman 2.0]

You said name a worse #7? I literally did.

No I’m sorry you’re right.

I don’t care to debate who’s got the better team around him but I’ll give it to you.

Aidan sezar and then SJ

Second worst 7 in the comp.

Yay

 

[Noitall]

Haha ok

Aiden Sezar then SJ.

Thanks for proving my point

There’s been plenty like the tigers Sullivan dropped early in the season not to return. Townsend just dropped from cowboys. Jack Cogger picked up by knights from panthers and hasn’t seen much time in first grade. A bad season by SJ’s standards, but plenty worse

 

[Aman 2.0]

You said name a worse #7? I literally did.

Name a 7 who’s team has dominated in Almost every single category each week and got his 7 in attacking position time and time again and has been worse than SJ this year?

Name a worse defensive 7 as well this year.

 

[kos]

Agree with everything you say, I’m really starting to wonder about Webster, I’m thinking it was the Bulldogs who go the better coach.

But in fairness Dogs have Gould who has bought some vg players ie Crighton. Tbf Crighton probably has the opposite effect on a team to AFB.
Theres friction there between AFB possibly SJ.

 

[Aman 2.0]

There’s been plenty like the tigers Sullivan dropped early in the season not to return. Townsend just dropped from cowboys. Jack Cogger picked up by knights from panthers and hasn’t seen much time in first grade. A bad season by SJ’s standards, but plenty worse

Tigers are a basket case and who knows why thier doing wht thier doing.

Townsend has been leading his team all year. They’re in a much better position than us.

Cogger is a work in progress with vets infront of him.

 

[Damo]

Name a 7 who’s team has dominated in Almost every single category each week and got his 7 in attacking position time and time again and has been worse than SJ this year?

Name a worse defensive 7 as well this year.

I never said SJ has been good, quite the opposite. I just dispute the unders ball having such an extreme reaction.

There are plenty of other things to be critical of SJ for.

 

[Christchurch_Warrior]

Reading all this about SJ and his last year kind of reminds me Stacey Jones come back year. Feel kind of depressed as it is a shitty way for him to go out. Would have been nice if he retired last year and went out with an high instead of a whimper.

 

[Aman 2.0]

But in fairness Dogs have Gould who has bought some vg players ie Crighton. Tbf Crighton probably has the opposite effect on a team to AFB.
Theres friction there between AFB possibly SJ.

Also not sure what websters suppose to do when there’s blokes like RTS, Ali, SJ, CHT, Nuikore, DWZ, Kosi who can’t do the basics on defence and attack?

 

[Boats n Hoes]

I see Charnze and Roger as essentially the same (with Charnze the slightly better distributor, but still nowhere near the ball playing abilities of the new age fullback)......all effort (which cant be faulted) but you got to question the effectiveness of someone who just does a kazillion hit ups? Ive asked a thousand times should we really require our fullback to take multiple hit ups in a set? A return hit up sure.....but then surely it'd be more effective just having them sniffing around the ruck either A. Running support for any potential breaks or B. providing an option of an extra pass for our early set hit up merchants so the defence doesnt just soley focus on our one out runners (which Manly did to great effect last nite)......would rather they spend their energy doing that and then run their block shape lines once we're in the red zone.

Seems to be 2 schools of camp in styles of fullback atm. The all effort Charnze/RTS/Dylan Edwards/Teddy types, or the smaller extremely quck accelerating with half like ball playing skills - Reece Walsh, Papunhuzyen, Keano Kini, Keao Weekes, Drinkwater......the game tends to be evolving towards the latter and it seems once again we're left behind the 8 ball.

Just gonna put it out there tho i think we have a ready made player who has all those attributes even tho most of u want him in the 7 jersey next season.....and thats Luke Metcalf.....just think that speed from the back would give us another edge to the sword......and lets face it looking at what we've got on the books in the backline ......its a pretty blunt sword.

 

[regenerated borg]

Last night, well, there's nothing new to take away that we haven't already witnessed all year... 3 more weeks and it's all over... dare I say it, can't wait for it to end...

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

No I’m sorry you’re right.

I don’t care to debate who’s got the better team around him but I’ll give it to you.

Aidan sezar and then SJ

Second worst 7 in the comp.

Yay

Aidan Sezer, Lachie Ilias, Tanah Boyd, Chad Townsend and Jackson Hastings have all been worse in my opinion. But still a significant fall from arguably best in the comp during last years regular season.

 

[Noitall]

I see Charnze and Roger as essentially the same (with Charnze the slightly better distributor, but still nowhere near the ball playing abilities of the new age fullback)......all effort (which cant be faulted) but you got to question the effectiveness of someone who just does a kazillion hit ups? Ive asked a thousand times should we really require our fullback to take multiple hit ups in a set? A return hit up sure.....but then surely it'd be more effective just having them sniffing around the ruck either A. Running support for any potential breaks or B. providing an option of an extra pass for our early set hit up merchants so the defence doesnt just soley focus on our one out runners (which Manly did to great effect last nite)......would rather they spend their energy doing that and then run their block shape lines once we're in the red zone.

Seems to be 2 schools of camp in styles of fullback atm. The all effort Charnze/RTS/Dylan Edwards/Teddy types, or the smaller extremely quck accelerating with half like ball playing skills - Reece Walsh, Papunhuzyen, Keano Kini, Keao Weekes, Drinkwater......the game tends to be evolving towards the latter and it seems once again we're left behind the 8 ball.

Just gonna put it out there tho i think we have a ready made player who has all those attributes even tho most of u want him in the 7 jersey next season.....and thats Luke Metcalf.....just think that speed from the back would give us another edge to the sword......and lets face it looking at what we've got on the books in the backline ......its a pretty blunt sword.

There’s also Tuaupiki, but it was interesting how in nsw cup earlier in the season he was the main kicking option from fullback. Could we be looking at a whole new system when or if he joins the team or was it because he was the better boot than Hansen or whoever was there at the time? Or could Tuaupiki transition to 6?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I see Charnze and Roger as essentially the same (with Charnze the slightly better distributor, but still nowhere near the ball playing abilities of the new age fullback)......all effort (which cant be faulted) but you got to question the effectiveness of someone who just does a kazillion hit ups? Ive asked a thousand times should we really require our fullback to take multiple hit ups in a set? A return hit up sure.....but then surely it'd be more effective just having them sniffing around the ruck either A. Running support for any potential breaks or B. providing an option of an extra pass for our early set hit up merchants so the defence doesnt just soley focus on our one out runners (which Manly did to great effect last nite)......would rather they spend their energy doing that and then run their block shape lines once we're in the red zone.

Seems to be 2 schools of camp in styles of fullback atm. The all effort Charnze/RTS/Dylan Edwards/Teddy types, or the smaller extremely quck accelerating with half like ball playing skills - Reece Walsh, Papunhuzyen, Keano Kini, Keao Weekes, Drinkwater......the game tends to be evolving towards the latter and it seems once again we're left behind the 8 ball.

Just gonna put it out there tho i think we have a ready made player who has all those attributes even tho most of u want him in the 7 jersey next season.....and thats Luke Metcalf.....just think that speed from the back would give us another edge to the sword......and lets face it looking at what we've got on the books in the backline ......its a pretty blunt sword.

Theres the odd freak of nature fullback like Turbo who can do it all. Trell could as well if he ever bothered to put the effort in. In my opinion, CNK is significantly rather than slightly better than RTS at distributing, but he would still be below average in the NRL.

 

[Canonball]

Probably the most warriors 2024 performance of 2024... dominated field position, metres, played to a pattern, then didn't score, errors and faded out ...

Depressing

But it shows the issues well - we're waiting for the the new crop of forwards to come through and so need to hold the front and edge with a couple of veterans - in this respect I'm very happy that JFH and Capewah are going to be there along with Barney, and Tohu somewhere in the background ... what is up with Niukore though? Caught between roles ? Defensively he was good last night but that line running is not there

The halves... well this is wide open ... we really really need a halfback ... SJ was pretty good first half, then literally dropped the ball... if Metcalf is the answer we're asking the wrong question (at this stage)

Pompey playing 2023 ball looked great ... the centre experiment fucked us this year

I'd like to see Tauapiki at the back next week

 

[Bluecat]

We had enough ball and enough good field position to win well last night.
No direction and no belief. And no basic skills. I reckon half a dozen knock ons in their half. It was like watching the Warriors of old. I hope Andrew Webster is planning something different for next year. And on AW, he puts a utility/half on the bench and doesn't use him until the end of the game. It was obvious after 25 minutes that we weren't firing. I kept expecting CHT to come on to see if changing one of the playmakers could make a difference. Maybe rest Lussick for 20 minutes

We so need halves. Brooks and DCE showed that last night. I don't think we will win another game with SJ and Metcalf paired together. Or with either of them on the field.

RTS has the passing skills of Solomone Kata. We have better centres. And younger faster fullbacks.

I thought our forwards did enough to get us in position to win. Again. Even with the errors. It's such a shame we couldn't create points off that. Again

 

[Boats n Hoes]

Theres the odd freak of nature fullback like Turbo who can do it all. Trell could as well if he ever bothered to put the effort in. In my opinion, CNK is significantly rather than slightly better than RTS at distributing, but he would still be below average in the NRL.

Yeah look not knocking Charnze, he played a great under structure last season with those right hand sweeps.....but with all structure eventually they get worked out......opposition did that all year to us....and unfortunately our one dimensional players (and coaching plans it has to be said) had nothing else to fall back on....and it showed.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Kinda lucky we've signed a 3 x champion, golden boot winning kiwi captain - who actually wants to be at the club.

Bit of a replacement for our alpha who has burnt out of three under performing NRL teams.

But yeah... we all need to watch the last dance to understand the complexity of AFB.

As I've said plenty of times, mediocre individuals will never understand it...

But your right, AFB is the first high performing player who has come to the club and left disillusioned with our professionalism. Definitely has never happened before. Anyway what does he know.. #bottom4baby

 

[Canonball]

Would you rather be us or the Broncos at this stage?

Sort of opposites theses two teams - all the speed, all the flair and no pattern or go forward on one hand and then us on the other