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[Worried2Death]

My only hope is that the younger generations will step in and kick the old conyism out.

This is my hope too, these new zoomers are generally a lot smarter than my generation ever were having grown up with the internet, cynical of any ideology, and I don't mean Greta's crew necessarily.
They'll be up against the same capital-owning elite, which will probaby be concentrated even smaller by the time they assume any kind of influence. I don't envy our kids the world we're leaving them.

 

[sup42]

This is my hope too, these new zoomers are generally a lot smarter than my generation ever were having grown up with the internet, cynical of any ideology, and I don't mean Greta's crew necessarily.
They'll be up against the same capital-owning elite, which will probaby be concentrated even smaller by the time they assume any kind of influence. I don't envy our kids the world we're leaving them.

I still remember the day I realized my first born had surpassed me intellectually. He was eighteen at the time. It was a really weird feeling - pride (obviously) and uncertainty, I realized I needed to adjust my communication style as a parent, or our relationship would not flourish.....space would come between us.....the generation gap is a cliche but that is exactly what was happening....I realized I no longer had the mortgage on wisdom, that I was going to have to hand over that comforting power a parent has, the role of a teacher, a guide, a mentor.

It was unnerving, and it took me some time to be natural and comfortable in the new relationship with my kid.

Now I long for the time when my kids generation are in control of this country. I long for their empathic, wise, careful, sensitive, pragmatic, and most of all emotional intelligence to get us to the next plain of existence....enlightenment.

And yes....it is their exposure to all of the world through the internet and their intelligence, their street smarts, and their ability to join the global community of thinkers that makes them a different species from us.


Someone said knowledge is power, but is also nourishment of the being of man/woman/preferred pronoun. Excuse the esoteric rant, I just agree with what you have said and it reminds me of my brats.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I still remember the day I realized my first born had surpassed me intellectually. He was eighteen at the time. It was a really weird feeling - pride (obviously) and uncertainty, I realized I needed to adjust my communication style as a parent, or our relationship would not flourish.....space would come between us.....the generation gap is a cliche but that is exactly what was happening....I realized I no longer had the mortgage on wisdom, that I was going to have to hand over that comforting power a parent has, the role of a teacher, a guide, a mentor.

It was unnerving, and it took me some time to be natural and comfortable in the new relationship with my kid.

Now I long for the time when my kids generation are in control of this country. I long for their empathic, wise, careful, sensitive, pragmatic, and most of all emotional intelligence to get us to the next plain of existence....enlightenment.

And yes....it is their exposure to all of the world through the internet and their intelligence, their street smarts, and their ability to join the global community of thinkers that makes them a different species from us.


Someone said knowledge is power, but is also nourishment of the being of man/woman/preferred pronoun. Excuse the esoteric rant, I just agree with what you have said and it reminds me of my brats.

Great post and similar in my family currently going through it with my 19 year old.

He’s got the smarts but I’ve got the wisdom still and we combine quite effectively sometimes. Can’t actually wait to see his potential when he’s gets that life experience as well!

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Great post and similar in my family currently going through it with my 19 year old.

He’s got the smarts but I’ve got the wisdom still and we combine quite effectively sometimes. Can’t actually wait to see his potential when he’s gets that life experience as well!

I’m having a similar experience with my 4-year old schnauzer.

 

[sup42]

I’m having a similar experience with my 4-year old schnauzer.

Well they are smart dogs so it was bound to happen.

 

[John Nick]

Well they are smart dogs so it was bound to happen.

Unfortunately my schnauzer is schnauzing

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Well they are smart dogs so it was bound to happen.

Mine is pretty thick

 

[snake77]

I’m having a similar experience with my 4-year old schnauzer.

As a father of young kids its amazing what they pick up or what they come up with. I often joke about how my wife has interesting debates with our youngest (now 7 but it goes back a few years). They'd argue and it would be like he lawyers up on her.

Last Christmas we were visiting someone in Rotorua and noticed a ton of emergency services heading down the road. It was 50/50 if it was our way or towards Whakatane or towards Tauranga. Ended up our direction so we had a longer drive back home. On the drive the youngest starts arguing how he wants to swap sides with his brother from now on as his side is boring. His brother offered some solutions like a different side on each car. Then it was we will talk about when we get home. The response from the little lawyer was "You can talk all you like it ain't happening".



My parents were quite old when they had me. My father is in his mid 80s. Back then it wouldn't be common to do more education after finishing school. My mother was a housewife her entire life. My father went into the mines before going to the army and navy before migrating to NZ for his last job. My father was well read on specific topics as he'd deep dive into topics he's passionate about. You notice as you get older things like education they may not be the best, or things like investing, or more modern topics. Still a lot to offer in terms of relating events to something that has happened in the past etc.

Can see it coming with my kids. I work in the tech industry but can see with the kids having access to things younger how it seems more natural. Mind you they just click and get the results where I worry about the account I'm using, storage requirements and security.

Being in Auckland they are in a higher decile school than I went to in small town NZ. Can see them catching up to me at an early age.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

And so it begins:

After several briefings from Treasury officials over the weekend, she said the books were in worse shape than she had initially thought.

"The briefing from Treasury was sobering and what they also revealed to me is that there are some nasty surprises in the books. The outgoing government has left us with some significant fiscal risks; projects that look like they're going to blow out and cost, and some some fiscal cliffs; programmes that there isn't funding for the future for, that hasn't been budgeted for, even though most people would expect those programmes are continuing."

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

FFS auckland councils public transport - “The chickens are coming home to roost. The running costs of the City Rail Link alone are expected to account for about 10 per cent of rates paid by Aucklanders in the third year of the Long Term Plan.”

Wow! Scrap all public transport projects and get people back in cars! Mega white elephant project.

The annual running cost of a household car is spent on propping up the loss on one 3.2km long public transport projects operating cost. Lucky we didn’t get the airport tram. Economic madness.

 

[NZDoug]

The Covid inquiry is vitally ( NOT!)
What about an inquiry about Jacinda wearing Mussie clothes?

 

[Bay39er]

And so it begins:

After several briefings from Treasury officials over the weekend, she said the books were in worse shape than she had initially thought.

"The briefing from Treasury was sobering and what they also revealed to me is that there are some nasty surprises in the books. The outgoing government has left us with some significant fiscal risks; projects that look like they're going to blow out and cost, and some some fiscal cliffs; programmes that there isn't funding for the future for, that hasn't been budgeted for, even though most people would expect those programmes are continuing."

What begins

The Govt starting a blame game?

Weren't the books opened a few weeks before the election?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The Govt starting a blame game?

Politics is just a big PR game isn’t it.

It’s like the last national governments ‘9 years of health neglect’ based on 1 leaking pipe in 1 hospital and despite heath receiving increases in funding every year under National.

 

[kos]

FFS auckland councils public transport - “The chickens are coming home to roost. The running costs of the City Rail Link alone are expected to account for about 10 per cent of rates paid by Aucklanders in the third year of the Long Term Plan.”

Wow! Scrap all public transport projects and get people back in cars! Mega white elephant project.

The annual running cost of a household car is spent on propping up the loss on one 3.2km long public transport projects operating cost. Lucky we didn’t get the airport tram. Economic madness.

I will come back to you later on an opposing view.
I ll think about my points during my work day.

 

[miket12]

What begins

The Govt starting a blame game?

Weren't the books opened a few weeks before the election?

The incoming Government is already positioning itself as to why it is breaking an election promise that they wouldn't have to borrow money to fund tax cuts.

No overseas buyers tax plus unfunded projects plus overspend on budgeted projects equals more government borrowing..... all of which will be "blamed" on the coalition agreement and the most fiscally responsible Labour finance minister ever.

It would be funny if it wasn't so predictable!!!!

 

[Inruin]

Politics is just a big PR game isn’t it

It certainly has a large element of that. However, there are also times when reality sets in.

The lights stay on, but there will be no home improvements

Buried within the PREFU came a stark warning: although there’s money set aside to cover the critical cost pressures of government, that’s about it – so any future decisions around additional spending will need to be made in the context of raising more revenue or spending cuts elsewhere. That...

www.infometrics.co.nz

There have been budget blowouts every budget in the last 6 years - some causes are obvious, but many have been warning for a while now around the level of spending and the lack of allocations in future forecasts.

The budget blowout in the last 12 months increased at every update....

I posted an article the other day about cost blow out of $253m for ECE pay parity and warned there would be more to come out of the woodwork

The government underestimated the cost of passing on school and kindergarten teachers' pay rises to early childhood teachers by $253 million.

A September Cabinet paper from Education Minister Jan Tinetti showed the government set aside $428m over four years for the flow-on cost of teachers' pay settlements to early learning services. But it was not enough.

"The final settlements of the kindergarten, primary and secondary teacher collectives, and the change to offer funding rate parity for some education and care services with kindergartens, increases the cost of passing on salary improvements to education and care services," the paper said.

"This is $253 million above the funding set aside in the bargaining contingency to pass on the increases to the unified base salary scale (UBSS) from all three teacher collectives. Vote Education has no further capacity to absorb this additional cost.

Pay parity for ECE teachers 'further out of reach' after cost blowout

The government underestimated the cost of passing on school and kindergarten teachers' pay rises to ECE teachers by $253 million.

www.rnz.co.nz

It would be funny if it wasn't so predictable!!!!

So, true

 

[Brightman]

The incoming Government is already positioning itself as to why it is breaking an election promise that they wouldn't have to borrow money to fund tax cuts.

No overseas buyers tax plus unfunded projects plus overspend on budgeted projects equals more government borrowing..... all of which will be "blamed" on the coalition agreement and the most fiscally responsible Labour finance minister ever.

It would be funny if it wasn't so predictable!!!!

So in other words, you understand that you can only play with the cards you've been dealt..

 

[miket12]

So in other words, you understand that you can only play with the cards you've been dealt..

It's also a "Get out of Jail" free card.... play the blame game to justify promises which couldn't be kept in the first place. But National will just be following the examples of every leader since Eve told Adam to eat an apple. After all, for five of the last six years, all the government's problems could be blamed on "underspending by Key's government" and COVID..... then the last 9 months, it was Hipkins blaming the previous PM.

It's all so predictable.

 

[Inruin]

It's also a "Get out of Jail" free card.... play the blame game to justify promises which couldn't be kept in the first place. But National will just be following the examples of every leader since Eve told Adam to eat an apple. After all, for five of the last six years, all the government's problems could be blamed on "underspending by Key's government" and COVID..... then the last 9 months, it was Hipkins blaming the previous PM.

It's all so predictable.

There is always going to be the underinvestment or spending on the wrong things arguments. A little different this time I think though. Clarke/Cullen left the books in good shape, Key/English left the books in good shape. It's pretty clear that these books aren't in great shape even allowing for COVID and floods - add to that we have major issues in nearly every key area (education, crime, health, cost of living) It's actually not a great election to win for the right block.

 

[John Nick]

The political football is getting a bit of a flogging .
Today Luxon says"He wasnt hopeful that the books were in as good a shape as
outgoing Finance Minister Grant Robertson had claimed."
Round about way of making a point.