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[MrFrankWhite]

(I haven’t read the detail), but I assume someone could be in a role for 50 years and get fired for no reason, without any legal recourse

This person would have 100 offers the next day

 

[John Nick]

Seems like a strange thing to bring in?
Don't like that a worker on any kind of money cannot pursue unjustifiable dismissal, seems like a terrible precedent to set.

Yeah. Thin end of the wedge

 

[John Nick]

This person would have 100 offers the next day

Still not right imo

 

[miket12]

Watch: Damning report reveals cause of HMNZS Manawanui's sinking off Samoa

The interim Court of Inquiry’s report is being released.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Damo]

Watch: Damning report reveals cause of HMNZS Manawanui's sinking off Samoa

The interim Court of Inquiry’s report is being released.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Awkward!

 

[WA Warrior]

Watch: Damning report reveals cause of HMNZS Manawanui's sinking off Samoa

The interim Court of Inquiry’s report is being released.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Heads have to roll for this.
Mistakes happen but this is actually ridiculous.

 

[Damo]

Heads have to roll for this.
Mistakes happen but this is actually ridiculous.

Which persons head?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Yeah. Thin end of the wedge

The old not adjust for inflation trick? In 20 years someone on the average wage will be caught in it?

We’ve seen it with tax brackets creep; brightline (2 to 10 years); GST (10 to 15%), etc, etc.

That’s why we can’t let wealth or capital gains taxes come in. Sell it as hammering the top 1% and before we know it they will be after the tax on our home!

 

[WA Warrior]

Which persons head?

I will leave that for the appropriate people to make that decision I’m not a Naval Experts asshole.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Which persons head?

All those in charge.

Not just the fool that didn’t realise the autopilot was on but whoever was in charge of training.

They don’t have a ship any more so they might be redundant anyway

 

[Rick O’Shay]

All those in charge.

Not just the fool that didn’t realise the autopilot was on but whoever was in charge of training.

They don’t have a ship any more so they might be redundant anyway

Between this and the Ferry grounding, our maritime personnel seem to have an issue with Autopilots and how to work them.

 

[Damo]

I will leave that for the appropriate people to make that decision I’m not a Naval Experts asshole.

Woah woah woah, I just asked a question
Meant no malice behind it. Was genuinely curious.

EDIT: Read that wrongly, but realise now you weren't calling me an asshole

 

[defensivebomb]

Watch: Damning report reveals cause of HMNZS Manawanui's sinking off Samoa

The interim Court of Inquiry’s report is being released.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Ah well, at least we aren’t a laughing stock

 

[defensivebomb]

They should make Andrew Bayley in charge of Defence. At least he wouldn’t hold back

 

[WA Warrior]

Woah woah woah, I just asked a question
Meant no malice behind it. Was genuinely curious.

EDIT: Read that wrongly, but realise now you weren't calling me an asshole

No way bro just letting you know my prowess in the Navy game lol.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Watch: Damning report reveals cause of HMNZS Manawanui's sinking off Samoa

The interim Court of Inquiry’s report is being released.

www.nzherald.co.nz

“Having mistakenly assessed a thruster control failure, standard procedures should have prompted the ship’s crew to check that the ship was under manual control rather than in autopilot. This check did not occur. Remaining in autopilot resulted in the ship maintaining a course toward land, until grounding and eventually stranding.”

There you have it...

 

[MrFrankWhite]

For those who don't know, this what drills are for. To test and embed SOPs so they are second nature during conflict. IE the drill for weapon stops firing, is a functional weapons test to ID and rectify. Empty magazine, failure to chamber etc. Its gets more involved the larger the platform and the more people. In this case there would be a drill for losing control of the ship, and I bet the first fucking action is check autopilot. This tells me the core officer group is poorly trained and drilled.

 

[Worried2Death]

For those who don't know, this what drills are for. To test and embed SOPs so they are second nature during conflict. IE the drill for weapon stops firing, is a functional weapons test to ID and rectify. Empty magazine, failure to chamber etc. Its gets more involved the larger the platform and the more people. In this case there would be a drill for losing control of the ship, and I bet the first fucking action is check autopilot. This tells me the core officer group is poorly trained and drilled.

Who's responsible for these poor training standards? Looks like the MCC.

"In the New Zealand Navy, the Maritime Component Commander (MCC) is responsible for the training of the Navy's fleet. The MCC is also responsible for the readiness of the fleet, as well as the specialist teams that support the Navy's mission."

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Whats worse is they werent even in combat. Zero pressue, it should have been basically just another drill.

Imagine doing a fire alarm drill at a workplace and the big bosses panic and jump out the window...

 

[Damo]

For those who don't know, this what drills are for. To test and embed SOPs so they are second nature during conflict. IE the drill for weapon stops firing, is a functional weapons test to ID and rectify. Empty magazine, failure to chamber etc. Its gets more involved the larger the platform and the more people. In this case there would be a drill for losing control of the ship, and I bet the first fucking action is check autopilot. This tells me the core officer group is poorly trained and drilled.

There most definitely is extensive breakdown SOPs and training conducted at least every other day.
Someone just screwed up, plain and simple.