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[Noitall]

The stress of the event. Happens amongst close family.

Live life to the fullest because you don’t know what’s around the corner.

Think he had suffered from illness? But you’re right, would have contributed considerably

 

[snake77]

For a nation surrounded by water. That has a passion for spending time on boats.

Why are we having these issues with the auto pilot?

The Ferry issue was due to crew not knowing how to disengage the auto pilot. Now the Navy ship has an issue regarding auto pilot.

I have a family member who works on smaller ferries. I might ask him about the auto pilot before I board next time.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

For a nation surrounded by water. That has a passion for spending time on boats.

Why are we having these issues with the auto pilot?

The Ferry issue was due to crew not knowing how to disengage the auto pilot. Now the Navy ship has an issue regarding auto pilot.

I have a family member who works on smaller ferries. I might ask him about the auto pilot before I board next time.

Will be interesting to see the details when they finally appear. The ship was an ex Norwegian dive support vessel so would have had to have DP2 or 3 to be able to work in close to platforms and stay on station. Basically, the position is set in the DP and the ship stays there come hell or highwater. I've been onboard a few and they do drills in case of thruster failure. First step is to disengage the DP and take manual control, veer away from the jacket and get it sorted. Not difficult.

They talk about the autopilot in this instance and that the autopilot course took them onto the reef, so was this a separate navigational tool for course setting (like an aircraft) as I don't believe the DP would allow that.

 

[John Nick]

Will be interesting to see the details when they finally appear. The ship was an ex Norwegian dive support vessel so would have had to have DP2 or 3 to be able to work in close to platforms and stay on station. Basically, the position is set in the DP and the ship stays there come hell or highwater. I've been onboard a few and they do drills in case of thruster failure. First step is to disengage the DP and take manual control, veer away from the jacket and get it sorted. Not difficult.

They talk about the autopilot in this instance and that the autopilot course took them onto the reef, so was this a separate navigational tool for course setting (like an aircraft) as I don't believe the DP would allow that.

Yes Rick the findings will be very interesting. I believe the ship was also equipped with ROV which could assist with beacon positioning which may give further information on what went wrong

 

[Noitall]

Interesting watch on an and a this morning in an interview with Luxon. Are coalition leaders turning on each other? Seymour told Tame that the treaty principles bill wasn’t a bottom line policy for the act party, so it begs the question why would national go with it announcing that it won’t go past the first reading? Perhaps mmp at play, but not being a bottom line shows that Seymour owned Luxon in negotiations

 

[Damo]

Will be interesting to see the details when they finally appear. The ship was an ex Norwegian dive support vessel so would have had to have DP2 or 3 to be able to work in close to platforms and stay on station. Basically, the position is set in the DP and the ship stays there come hell or highwater. I've been onboard a few and they do drills in case of thruster failure. First step is to disengage the DP and take manual control, veer away from the jacket and get it sorted. Not difficult.

They talk about the autopilot in this instance and that the autopilot course took them onto the reef, so was this a separate navigational tool for course setting (like an aircraft) as I don't believe the DP would allow that.

You wouldn't be using DP when you are sailing in a patrol box

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Interesting watch on an and a this morning in an interview with Luxon. Are coalition leaders turning on each other? Seymour told Tame that the treaty principles bill wasn’t a bottom line policy for the act party, so it begs the question why would national go with it announcing that it won’t go past the first reading? Perhaps mmp at play, but not being a bottom line shows that Seymour owned Luxon in negotiations

Rewriting history. Wasn’t a bottom line now!

Just MMP at work. ACT and NZ First needs extreme policy to differentiate themselves from National or people will just vote National.

Luxon threw them a bone on this policy just like they throw them a bone with the Epson seat. Deep down they need them to stay relevant in parliament.

Same with Maori and Greens policy for Labour. Arguably Maori policy that Labour supported recently helped them lose the last election.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

You wouldn't be using DP when you are sailing in a patrol box

Yeah, that was the question, whether they were on DP or Autopilot waypoints and whether they drifted or powered onto the reef.

 

[Noitall]

Rewriting history. Wasn’t a bottom line now!

Just MMP at work. ACT and NZ First needs extreme policy to differentiate themselves from National or people will just vote National.

Luxon threw them a bone on this policy just like they throw them a bone with the Epson seat. Deep down they need them to stay relevant in parliament.

Same with Maori and Greens policy for Labour. Arguably Maori policy that Labour supported recently helped them lose the last election.

View: https://www.facebook.com/groups/722756023106365/posts/941511294564169/

Have they said it was a bottom line policy before? Because that’s not what Seymour is saying now

 

[dean]

I've been on launches with AP lots of times. AP disengages once the waypoint has been reached. No experience of DP.
Could be the waypoint for AP was the reef, so ship responded. Whoever set the waypoint has explaining to do.
Damo, is there a duty for the navigator , mate and or skipper to maintain watch of ships position relative to navigational hazards while on AP ?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

First they came for the nutters and I said nothing.

Like her or loath her - this is the video of what gets you convicted of assault in NZ.

This is what they do to you if you question the govt in NZ? Doesn’t this rubbish just make her a martyr and builds support against the govt and society?

If that’s assault, every league players should be in prison!

Stuff

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[Damo]

I've been on launches with AP lots of times. AP disengages once the waypoint has been reached. No experience of DP.
Could be the waypoint for AP was the reef, so ship responded. Whoever set the waypoint has explaining to do.
Damo, is there a duty for the navigator , mate and or skipper to maintain watch of ships position relative to navigational hazards while on AP ?

The CO only really drives the ship when berthing, conducting fueling at sea or during higher risk operations.
Same with the Navigator.
It would have been the Officer of the Watch who was responsible, but the Navigators role is to train them and ultimately the Captain is responsible for it all.

 

[Inruin]

View: https://www.facebook.com/groups/722756023106365/posts/941511294564169/

Have they said it was a bottom line policy before? Because that’s not what Seymour is saying now

It really looks like after expecting the coalition to have imploded and didn't, they are now trying to find ways to split them.

Compare this kind of media scrutiny to what Jacinda got. If you want to see completely folding in a negotiation she would hold a world record.

 

[Noitall]

It really looks like after expecting the coalition to have imploded and didn't, they are now trying to find ways to split them.

Compare this kind of media scrutiny to what Jacinda got. If you want to see completely folding in a negotiation she would hold a world record.

He got absolutely schooled in negotiations. Like Tame said, welcome to politics prime minister

 

[Inruin]

He got absolutely schooled in negotiations. Like Tame said, welcome to politics prime minister

If you believe Seymour. Do you believe Seymour?

 

[Noitall]

If you believe Seymour. Do you believe Seymour?

Why would Seymour lie, with Tame saying he’d spoken to Seymour and he’d said it wasn’t a bottom line for them unless he’s trying to paint Luxon in a negative light?

 

[Inruin]

Why would Seymour lie, with Tame saying he’d spoken to Seymour and he’d said it wasn’t a bottom line for them unless he’s trying to paint Luxon in a negative light?

perhaps because of the overwhelming backlash he is facing from the public? Welcome to politics.

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[Noitall]

perhaps because of the overwhelming backlash he is facing from the public? Welcome to politics.

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

He’s really changed his stance in a short period of time then after being so bullish about the referendum if that’s the case? Not sure an article from a couple of years ago is really a smoking gun after just yesterday has revealed the opposite? Will be interesting to see. What was easy to see was Luxon floundering in that interview. He’s out of his depth

 

[Inruin]

He’s really changed his stance in a short period of time then after being so bullish about the referendum if that’s the case? Not sure an article from a couple of years ago is really a smoking gun after just yesterday has revealed the opposite? Will be interesting to see. What was easy to see was Luxon floundering in that interview. He’s out of his depth

Luxon not revealing what was said in negotiations is floundering? ok. I guess it suits the agenda

Tried to be painted as a poor negotiator but its been shown that ACT had a bottom line prior to the election and was negotiated down to taking through first reading.

 

[Noitall]

Luxon not revealing what was said in negotiations is floundering? ok. I guess it suits the agenda

With Seymour divulging information that it wasn’t a bottom line, it would have been easy for Luxon to say it was in fact a bottom line policy. For which he wasn’t prepared to say? Not seeing much of an agenda? Rather than coalition leaders not on the same page