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[MrFrankWhite]

What do you think of the current geopolitical situation, who's winning the psychological operations and psyop actions?

Currently? Russia and China are making inroads. There’s never been more anti Israeli sentiment than right now.

But they have to catch up on 100years of dogmatic programming. The problem for the west is that technology is uncovering some inconvenient facts that make history uncomfortable.

These have been challenging the normal order of things in the west.
the archaeological site Göbekli Tepe.
the English translation of Hitlers speech’s
Diddy showing the perversion in entertainment
Ukraine showing the wests military might is mostly for show

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The Post

www.thepost.co.nz

Cuts to defence not paying off already. Have to wonder how they managed this

Jesus Fucking Christ. Western military might on display again..

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Total electrical failure can do that to a ship.

Just curious but was it diesel (HFO)/electric propulsion?

 

[Damo]

Just curious but was it diesel (HFO)/electric propulsion?

I'm not a Marine Engineer but my understanding is 4 x Diesel Electric gennies for propulsion.

 

[Inruin]

Just curious but was it diesel (HFO)/electric propulsion?

4 x diesel electric generators powering 2 x azimuth propulsion systems and 3 x bow thrusters

HMNZS Manawanui

HMNZS Manawanui is our Royal New Zealand Navy's specialist dive and hydrographic vessel. Manawanui is the fourth ship to carry that name and provides our Navy with the ability to conduct a range of specialist diving, salvage and hydrography tasks around New Zealand and across the South West Pacific.

www.nzdf.mil.nz

 

[Possum11]

Nz navy ship submerged $100million down the drain.

 

[John Nick]

Nz navy ship submerged $100million down the drain.

Not to mention the environmental issues.
Hopefully kept to a minimum.
Lucky minimal injuries to the crew

 

[Worried2Death]

Currently? Russia and China are making inroads. There’s never been more anti Israeli sentiment than right now.

But they have to catch up on 100years of dogmatic programming. The problem for the west is that technology is uncovering some inconvenient facts that make history uncomfortable.

These have been challenging the normal order of things in the west.
the archaeological site Göbekli Tepe.
the English translation of Hitlers speech’s
Diddy showing the perversion in entertainment
Ukraine showing the wests military might is mostly for show

What's the Göbekli Tepe site revealing that challenges western order/history?

Diddy worked kompromat for Clive Davis, a mob asset.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

What's the Göbekli Tepe site revealing that challenges western order/history?

Diddy worked kompromat for Clive Davis, a mob asset.

Basically blows out our known timeline of human evolution. Officially another 10,000 years earlier but if the other older structures are there, it could be up to 200,000. Its also not a village, its a calendar. Supposedly marking magnetic pole shifts aka cataclysmic events.

 

[Worried2Death]

Basically blows out our known timeline of human evolution. Officially another 10,000 years earlier but if the other older structures are there, it could be up to 200,000. Its also not a village, its a calendar. Supposedly marking magnetic pole shifts aka cataclysmic events.

Yeah it's pretty amazing, remains to be seen if it's that old or what it's purpose was. But we're always adjusting timelines to suit new evidence, wouldn't be that surprising if neolithic people were more advanced than currently known, especially in that cradle of civiliation area. Don't think it would change evolution, there were modern homo sapiens there 200K yrs ago. Oldest fossil so far:

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www.reuters.com

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Jesus Fucking Christ. Western military might on display again..

Outwitted by a reef.

They are living things that can move (over time) but we should have been able to handle it…

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Basically blows out our known timeline of human evolution. Officially another 10,000 years earlier but if the other older structures are there, it could be up to 200,000. Its also not a village, its a calendar. Supposedly marking magnetic pole shifts aka cataclysmic events.

I’m fascinated by Göbekli Tepe.

Inventions, technologies and civilisation build on top of each other over long periods. To say there was a sudden explosion of invention and suddenly we were advanced in Mesopotamia defies logic. The cradle of civilisation would have had 10’s of thousand of years of building up to that level of development. That was just the first time there was written and obvious evidence - not when it all started.

Göbekli Tepe pushes everything way, way back which is more logical and exposes that so much in between (and before) is missing. What’s even more logical is GT already had complex technology and systems and there is even older civilisation than them.

10,000 years ago was the end of the last ice age and water levels were over 100m lower than today. It makes sense that most of civilisation back then was along the waters edge (as it is now) and is now well under water. Most we will never be able to find. It’s also logical that before the long lasting stone monuments we find today in the oldest cities, they built in wood. There would be whole civilisations built of wood that are lost to time as it’s not permanent.

So much still to be explained in our pre history that will be almost impossible to discover with time and climatic changes.

 

[defensivebomb]

Apparently there is a lot more to this to follow.
I will save any judgment until we know the details
Bound to be an enquiry

At the very least, it is a huge embarrassment

 

[defensivebomb]

Outwitted by a reef.

They are living things that can move (over time) but we should have been able to handle it…

“It came out of nowhere!”

You’d have to wonder, who in their right mind would park a reef there

 

[Rick O’Shay]

“It came out of nowhere!”

You’d have to wonder, who in their right mind would park a reef there

That's exactly what the Captain of the Rena said when he sobered up.

 

[Noitall]

That's exactly what the Captain of the Rena said when he sobered up.

If this turns into an environmental disaster, this will take on a whole lot more implications. That’s the best they can hope for now is to contain this occurring

 

[dean]

If this turns into an environmental disaster, this will take on a whole lot more implications. That’s the best they can hope for now is to contain this occurring

Getting the fuel off is not a big issue providing the hull sits in water accessible to divers. I suspect it may be very deep though.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Its why most people are vehemently anti Russian. Every piece of media you have consumed your entire life painted Russians as the bad guy, and they only supporting evidence is US media. And people think they are "informed"

No frank. Russia is right up there. Climate change is also real.

 

[John Nick]

Getting the fuel off is not a big issue providing the hull sits in water accessible to divers. I suspect it may be very deep though.

I read somewhere it is very deep.
Suggested 2km
Also depends if the tanks are compromised or not.
Locals reported strong smell of oil in the area.
Doesn't sound good

 

[dean]

I read somewhere it is very deep.
Suggested 2km
Also depends if the tanks are compromised or not.
Locals reported strong smell of oil in the area.
Doesn't sound good

I thought the reefs fell into depths well beyond divers.
The tanks are probably intact, there will be a few, hydraulics, fuel and oil.
A mate removed the fuel from the Mikhail Lermantov back in 86 without losing more than 100 litres he estimated, which they easily cleaned up. Took six men four months living above the wreck and that was shallow.
Not sure if robotics can operate at that level and anyway, the length of hoses would be a problem.
Beyond our Navy sadly because I'm sure they would like to do what they can to protect the seas and shoreline.