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[MaybeTop8]

This is so funny the discussion on the bike rakes.... one poster arguing his article is more accurate because it has a breakdown that shows that it cost $23,458:33 per rake and the other saying his article which says the cost of $23,458:33 is more accurate. Sorry to break it to you guys but the difference between the articles is only $2:41 to provide each rake (including two motorbike parks and a laneway which was only necessary because the bike rakes were installed). Don't really think the difference in each article is worth of the attention you're giving it. No matter which article you read, for a council in such financial strive and putting up rates by 20%, it's not a good look spending this much money on 24 bike rakes, two motorcycle parks and a 32m lane way when, only 50m away were unused bicycle rakes.
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But, even more ironic is @MaybeTop8 getting worked up about an article not being providing enough information when last week he was attacking posters on here questioning why an article wasn't balanced because it didn't provide enough information. Posters bias shining through again!!!

Quoted from the article "
Work to install the two-tier bike rack in Shell Lane, off The Terrace, was carried out earlier this year as part of a council project to “make the area safer for everyone”.




Other work included widening the kerb, installing two new street lights at either end of the lane, installing extra security cameras and a new rubbish bin and adding two motorbike parks."

You right wing echo chamber boys are yukking it up and highfiving each other, good on you, that's what you all do. That statement above is a number of different things that are improvements in their own right.

As always, there are multiple takes on a complex situation where the only "facts" are presented by the fucking taxpayers union who worship at the altar of Seymour and Atlas.

It also has this sentence



That's 136000/24. Work it out yourselves and give yourself another self congratulatory round of yuk yuks.


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[miket12]

Quoted from the article "
Work to install the two-tier bike rack in Shell Lane, off The Terrace, was carried out earlier this year as part of a council project to “make the area safer for everyone”.




Other work included widening the kerb, installing two new street lights at either end of the lane, installing extra security cameras and a new rubbish bin and adding two motorbike parks."

You right wing echo chamber boys are yukking it up and highfiving each other, good on you, that's what you all do. That statement above is a number of different things that are improvements in their own right.

As always, there are multiple takes on a complex situation where the only "facts" are presented by the fucking taxpayers union who worship at the altar of Seymour and Atlas.

It also has this sentence

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That's 136000/24. Work it out yourselves and give yourself another self congratulatory round of yuk yuks.


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I wonder when you'll work out the other money spent on putting in the cycle rakes wouldn't have been spent if the cycle rakes weren't built. That's why the entire cost is divided by the cost of each cycle rack. It's like you saying the abandoned ferry project would only have cost the cost of the ferries forgetting the billions more that would have been required to be spent on infrastructure needed.

The fact is BOTH of you are disagreeing over $2.41 per bike rake meaning I'm point how pathetic BOTH of you are being. Like I said.... it's really quite funny.

 

[Noitall]

I wonder when you'll work out the other money spent on putting in the cycle rakes wouldn't have been spent if the cycle rakes weren't built. That's why the entire cost is divided by the cost of each cycle rack. It's like you saying the abandoned ferry project would only have cost the cost of the ferries forgetting the billions more that would have been required to be spent on infrastructure needed.

The fact is BOTH of you are disagreeing over $2.41 per bike rake meaning I'm point how pathetic BOTH of you are being. Like I said.... it's really quite funny.

At least they’re there in the hopes that people who can cycle will in future years since nothing changes in the pollution and congestion side of things. It’s obvious electric cars aren’t the answer as the grid couldn’t cope. The sooner a cycle lane goes down the motorway the better with incoming congestion charges

 

[miket12]

Let's try another way.

The internationally accepted way to cost a stadium is the entire cost divided by the number of seats provided.... ie. the cost per seat for 60,000 seat stadium which cost $600,000,000 to built is $10,000 per seat. You don't say the cost was only $9,000,000 as the cost to supply and install each seat was only $150. Shit, the Warriors would have a new stadium in a few years the way some peoples mind works!!!!

 

[Noitall]

Let's try another way.

The internationally accepted way to cost a stadium is the entire cost divided by the number of seats provided.... ie. the cost per seat for 60,000 seat stadium which cost $600,000,000 to built is $10,000 per seat. You don't say the cost was only $9,000,000 as the cost to supply and install each seat was only $150. Shit, the Warriors would have a new stadium in a few years the way some peoples mind works!!!!

Wellington could certainly do with concentrating money towards their water infrastructure but let’s not pretend there’s not wasteful spending right at the top with things scrapped that this government previously supported or they don’t get off the ground like a smoke free 2025

 

[miket12]

At least they’re there in the hopes that people who can cycle will in future years since nothing changes in the pollution and congestion side of things. It’s obvious electric cars aren’t the answer as the grid couldn’t cope. The sooner a cycle lane goes down the motorway the better with incoming congestion charges

I personally like the "pink" central city cycle lane which ends by the Nelson Street offramp... some obviously didn't like the cost but I think it's worth having a decent separation between cyclists and vehicles. I'd like to see more of those which provide a cycle way without taking out parking or a traffic lane.... hopefully the cycle lane from Te Atatu that links with the cental cycle lane can be extended out to West Harbour and then back through to the Shore. Problem is that we don't have the vision in this country to actually do what is required.

Think of it this way.... Auckland's central city cycle loop cost just under $2,700 per meter to build ($18,000,000/6.7km) and is designed to take over 1,000 cyclists per hour.... the laneway in Wellington is designed for 24 people to pack bikes there, is 32m long and cost just over $300,000 (or $9,375 per metre) to build.

Gee, I wonder which project stacks up better financially?

 

[miket12]

At least they’re there in the hopes that people who can cycle will in future years since nothing changes in the pollution and congestion side of things. It’s obvious electric cars aren’t the answer as the grid couldn’t cope. The sooner a cycle lane goes down the motorway the better with incoming congestion charges

BTW mate..... I'd pay good money to see you cycling with a few cans of paint on your shoulder or towing a compressor for the spray gun

 

[Noitall]

BTW mate..... I'd pay good money to see you cycling with a few cans of paint on your shoulder or towing a compressor for the spray gun

I learnt my lesson from my dic loss of license to go there again

 

[miket12]

I think one thing Auckland does need is a better waterfront cycle way along Tamaki Drive. The cycle lane is fine for kids but those out for serious road bike training/exercise need somewhere better than what they have away from pedestrians and vehicles. There's already been far too many cyclists injured on there and they also seem to forget the road code when it come to pedestrians legally using marked crossings.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Let's try another way.

The internationally accepted way to cost a stadium is the entire cost divided by the number of seats provided.... ie. the cost per seat for 60,000 seat stadium which cost $600,000,000 to built is $10,000 per seat. You don't say the cost was only $9,000,000 as the cost to supply and install each seat was only $150. Shit, the Warriors would have a new stadium in a few years the way some peoples mind works!!!!

But, and I appreciate the comparison, it's not a stadium though. It's a collective of infrastructure, of which the bike rack is only one part, of which the cost of that is clearly stated at a total of 136000. In the article that Marv provided. Which no one seems particularly interested in as the quoted accurate figure.

I have no personal opinion worth stating on whether I find that too much or not, nor the inclination to develop one.

And let's not overlook the driver behind all of this - a reinforcement of tired right wing tropes, a yearning for the good old days when men were men and women stayed in the kitchen, a yearning for oil, and environmental destruction, none of these pussies or cucks or soft cocks who read books and ride bikes. "How dare they take away my right to......" - etc etc. In other words, the fake culture war.

Because really this, and if you take a look at any of the things I've posted, is effectively ideological battleground right fullas?

Facts aren't welcome in this world, even if they're right in front of you. So just for those that missed it the first, second, third and fourth time around:

 

[MaybeTop8]

Where is the facts and figure about cycling to back up your well structure argument?

Having lunch atm but walked 6km today according to my phone app and average over 10 per day. Thanks for caring

sorry, I don't have any stats for the next ten years that haven't happened yet

 

[miket12]

But, and I appreciate the comparison, it's not a stadium though. It's a collective of infrastructure, of which the bike rack is only one part, of which the cost of that is clearly stated at a total of 136000. In the article that Marv provided. Which no one seems particularly interested in as the quoted accurate figure.

I have no personal opinion worth stating on whether I find that too much or not, nor the inclination to develop one.

And let's not overlook the driver behind all of this - a reinforcement of tired right wing tropes, a yearning for the good old days when men were men and women stayed in the kitchen, a yearning for oil, and environmental destruction, none of these pussies or cucks or soft cocks who read books and ride bikes. "How dare they take away my right to......" - etc etc. In other words, the fake culture war.

Because really this, and if you take a look at any of the things I've posted, is effectively ideological battleground right fullas?

Facts aren't welcome in this world, even if they're right in front of you. So just for those that missed it the first, second, third and fourth time around:

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I would try again but I think I'd have more success getting Yahya Sinwar and Netanyahu to sit down and discuss a ceasefire.

 

[marv.]

But, and I appreciate the comparison, it's not a stadium though. It's a collective of infrastructure, of which the bike rack is only one part, of which the cost of that is clearly stated at a total of 136000. In the article that Marv provided. Which no one seems particularly interested in as the quoted accurate figure.

I have no personal opinion worth stating on whether I find that too much or not, nor the inclination to develop one.

And let's not overlook the driver behind all of this - a reinforcement of tired right wing tropes, a yearning for the good old days when men were men and women stayed in the kitchen, a yearning for oil, and environmental destruction, none of these pussies or cucks or soft cocks who read books and ride bikes. "How dare they take away my right to......" - etc etc. In other words, the fake culture war.

Because really this, and if you take a look at any of the things I've posted, is effectively ideological battleground right fullas?

Facts aren't welcome in this world, even if they're right in front of you. So just for those that missed it the first, second, third and fourth time around:

View attachment 9466

 

[MaybeTop8]

I would try again but I think I'd have more success getting Yahya Sinwar and Netanyahu to sit down and discuss a ceasefire.

I'm basing it on the facts presented in the article by marv.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I think one thing Auckland does need is a better waterfront cycle way along Tamaki Drive. The cycle lane is fine for kids but those out for serious road bike training/exercise need somewhere better than what they have away from pedestrians and vehicles. There's already been far too many cyclists injured on there and they also seem to forget the road code when it come to pedestrians legally using marked crossings.

I think cycle ways should only be provided for transport purposes, not sport or recreation.

Bike training/ exercise/ recreation should be evaluated like any other sport funding - it we did that the billions invested for a ‘sport’ would make bike riding the most highly funded sport in NZ by a HUGE margin.

There’s league clubs getting by on the smell of an oily rag and the Lycra brigade get billions spent providing infrastructure for them??? Completely Unfair. Corrupt even

Personally think cyclist should be banned from all roads and only use dedicated cycle ways or the footpath with pedestrians.

I think pedestrians vs bike is preferable to bike vs car from a safety perspective - especially for kids.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I'm basing it on the facts presented in the article by marv.

What about the past year for say the bike lane beside the southern motorway which was installed relatively recently at huge cost and every time I drive down it there’s never any bikes?

The lack of info on cost/ benefit is corrupt

 

[miket12]

I think cycle ways should only be provided for transport purposes, not sport or recreation.

Bike training/ exercise/ recreation should be evaluated like any other sport funding - it we did that the billions invested for a ‘sport’ would make bike riding the most highly funded sport in NZ by a HUGE margin.

There’s league clubs getting by on the smell of an oily rag and the Lycra brigade get billions spent providing infrastructure for them??? Completely Unfair. Corrupt even

Personally think cyclist should be banned from all roads and only use dedicated cycle ways or the footpath with pedestrians.

I think pedestrians vs bike is preferable to bike vs car from a safety perspective - especially for kids.

Oh shit.... you had to go there didn't you!!!!

 

[MaybeTop8]

I think cycle ways should only be provided for transport purposes, not sport or recreation.

Bike training/ exercise/ recreation should be evaluated like any other sport funding - it we did that the billions invested for a ‘sport’ would make bike riding the most highly funded sport in NZ by a HUGE margin.

There’s league clubs getting by on the smell of an oily rag and the Lycra brigade get billions spent providing infrastructure for them??? Completely Unfair. Corrupt even

Personally think cyclist should be banned from all roads and only use dedicated cycle ways or the footpath with pedestrians.

I think pedestrians vs bike is preferable to bike vs car from a safety perspective - especially for kids.

You do know that if more people cycle, walk, take public transport, the health outcomes drastically improve of the population putting less burden on infrastructure, and indeed freeing up the very roads that you all complain about that don't go fast enough.

Seems like we're back in the 1960s in this forum.

 

[MaybeTop8]

What about the past year for say the bike lane beside the southern motorway which was installed relatively recently at huge cost and every time I drive down it there’s never any bikes?

The lack of info on cost/ benefit is corrupt

You live in tauranga. Try looking up stats and not the visions inside your head.

 

[miket12]

What about the past year for say the bike lane beside the southern motorway which was installed relatively recently at huge cost and every time I drive down it there’s never any bikes?

The lack of info on cost/ benefit is corrupt

And again