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[MaybeTop8]

Sounds like someone’s making the data fit an agenda…

Seriously, how can dropping speed limits by up to 40% only increase the time by 0.012% (15 seconds increase in 1200 seconds travelled).

Does anyone seriously believe this? Data seems to say nobody’s doing the new speed limits

And so then increasing average speed by 0.012% again is somehow going to increase the road toll by 30% on those same roads?

Sorry, no credibility. Scrap the lower speed limits and get the country moving again.

Promoting death and injury on the roads over safety to fit your culture war narrative Wiz. Good morning.

 

[snake77]

Just back from a road trip through the South Waikato and Auckland. Have to say the condition of our roads is appalling and the stretch on the expressway north of Hamilton is a disgrace. There's a major contributor to productivity (lack of) staring us in the face.

And don't get me started on cones.

I've brought this up a few times. Since it has opened I've only been on that stretch of road a few times where it hasn't had roadworks.

I can understand at the start where there was the last part to finish off and open.

There is usually work being done on both sides or detours to move you to the other side.

We discussed on here during covid how other countries use more expensive material that lasts longer but it is more of a disruption when it needs to be replaced. The amount of ongoing maintenance we really should be looking at a better solution. Especially for such a heavily used road.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Promoting death and injury on the roads over safety to fit your culture war narrative Wiz. Good morning.

So ban all cars and get the road toll to 0?

Lack of critical thinking?

The article supports there’s been no actual lowering of speed. Which makes the whole council reasoning illogical

30% reducing in death stats could be in the margin of error if there’s only a handful of deaths on the new lower speed roads

Prove me wrong

 

[Rick O’Shay]

I've brought this up a few times. Since it has opened I've only been on that stretch of road a few times where it hasn't had roadworks.

I can understand at the start where there was the last part to finish off and open.

There is usually work being done on both sides or detours to move you to the other side.

We discussed on here during covid how other countries use more expensive material that lasts longer but it is more of a disruption when it needs to be replaced. The amount of ongoing maintenance we really should be looking at a better solution. Especially for such a heavily used road.

Another interesting thing is the chip seal. Very noticeable that (we were in an 8 seater) you had to raise your voice to be heard on many sections whereas you'd get accused of shouting on others. You'd think chip would be standardised.

 

[miket12]

They got that in spades.

Now around 12 weeks since Darleen Tana was suspended and no result yet other than she's still feeding at the govt trough.

Looks like the Greens have asked Tana to resign as they can't have her removed. Wouldn't surprise me if she stays in Parlaiment as an independent.... or will she just continue to sit around home while receiving her full Parliamentary salary for the next two and a half years.

I wonder if the public will ever see the report prepared by the Greens but paid for by the taxpayer?

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Hope there’s some decent vetting into the background of some of our representatives

 

[defensivebomb]

And don't get me started on cones.

do you mellow out after a few cones?

 

[defensivebomb]

Looks like the Greens have asked Tana to resign as they can't have her removed. Wouldn't surprise me if she stays in Parlaiment as an independent.... or will she just continue to sit around home while receiving her full Parliamentary salary for the next two and a half years.

I wonder if the public will ever see the report prepared by the Greens but paid for by the taxpayer?

It's somewhat funny isn't it. A party that, at its core, is one of defiant protestors. That might end up having a defiant MP refusing to resign

 

[Worried2Death]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Hope there’s some decent vetting into the background of some of our representatives

So much for Jacinda being a commie, National have the literal Chinese Comminist Party on their list!

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

So much for Jacinda being a commie, National have the literal Chinese Comminist Party on their list!

You’re just jealous because Labour didn’t get the honour of any spy’s in their party.

Pretty disrespectful of China towards Labour really although maybe fellow commies don’t need monitoring.

 

[Lord Gnome of Waiheke]

30% reducing in death stats could be in the margin of error

 

[Rick O’Shay]

do you mellow out after a few cones?

Not if it's a warriors game

 

[Tragic]

So ban all cars and get the road toll to 0?

Lack of critical thinking?

The article supports there’s been no actual lowering of speed. Which makes the whole council reasoning illogical

30% reducing in death stats could be in the margin of error if there’s only a handful of deaths on the new lower speed roads

Prove me wrong

There is nothing there to disprove, it's all just opinion based on a political leaning?

There are articles from people with knowledge about it that have days that shows there is no financial benefit like the one below.
National claim to be financially prudent to get policy through but that is clearly not true.

In this case it's really convenience + more deaths but the convenience is out come is arguable. So why do it?

You can argue Labour didn't get much right but this seems to be something that worked for little impact, reversing it is nonsensical.

Increasing speed limits defies the science - more deaths and pollution expected

The government is proposing to increase speed limits. Raising speed limits will lead to increased deaths and serious injuries on our roads. In addition, it is likely to worsen air quality and increase greenhouse gas emissions.

www.phcc.org.nz

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

There is nothing there to disprove, it's all just opinion based on a political leaning?

There are articles from people with knowledge about it that have days that shows there is no financial benefit like the one below.
National claim to be financially prudent to get policy through but that is clearly not true.

In this case it's really convenience + more deaths but the convenience is out come is arguable. So why do it?

You can argue Labour didn't get much right but this seems to be something that worked for little impact, reversing it is nonsensical.

Increasing speed limits defies the science - more deaths and pollution expected

The government is proposing to increase speed limits. Raising speed limits will lead to increased deaths and serious injuries on our roads. In addition, it is likely to worsen air quality and increase greenhouse gas emissions.

www.phcc.org.nz

It’s not reversing or increasing speed limits it’s putting them at what the road is designed for.

Spending billions on the Wellington motorway with a higher cost due to being designed for 110kmph and then setting it at 100km just because is insane!

I trust the engineers over politicians.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

SHOW ME THE MONEY!

Or in this case, the stats of how many people died per year on the roads that had new lowered speed limits.

If it’s under 10 you must be laughing with me

 

[Tragic]

It’s not reversing or increasing speed limits it’s putting them at what the road is designed for.

Spending billions on the Wellington motorway with a higher cost due to being designed for 110kmph and then setting it at 100km just because is insane!

I trust the engineers over politicians.

The article was about auckland council so wouldn't apply to wellington, i have no idea what's happening there.
But in any case the engineers don't se the speed limi it is a legal process.

I actually think auckland council is making some reasonable decisions under brown, despite the red tape any decision requires. He seems like a knob but he can at least explain why he is doing something and makes a decision based on facts.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

A figurehead for the misinformation far right industry. Pure bullshit. EDIT: Grifting, lying, disinformation bullshit to advance the far right.

Lol

 

[MrFrankWhite]

There is nothing there to disprove, it's all just opinion based on a political leaning?

There are articles from people with knowledge about it that have days that shows there is no financial benefit like the one below.
National claim to be financially prudent to get policy through but that is clearly not true.

In this case it's really convenience + more deaths but the convenience is out come is arguable. So why do it?

You can argue Labour didn't get much right but this seems to be something that worked for little impact, reversing it is nonsensical.

Increasing speed limits defies the science - more deaths and pollution expected

The government is proposing to increase speed limits. Raising speed limits will lead to increased deaths and serious injuries on our roads. In addition, it is likely to worsen air quality and increase greenhouse gas emissions.

www.phcc.org.nz

Thats a rubbish article with very little data. Classic Big Govt publication. The only link remotely talking about speed and death is wrtten by John Lieswyn on behalf of Dr Glen Koorey, and presented at 2WALKandCYCLE Conference 2024 - Wellington. Now do you think the below is an unbiased source?

https://viastrada.nz/sites/default/files/2024-03/JLieswyn-2WC-BenefitsLowerSpds.pdf

 

[dean]

The incompetence of Kiwirail Board has spread down the line to the crew it appears.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The incompetence of Kiwirail Board has spread down the line to the crew it appears.

According to some on here the crew must be neoliberals trying to make Kiwirail look bad to set it up for privatisation…