Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba]

The numbers can be pointed in what ever direction

Fact
The ferries are life expired

Also fact, so are the wharfs at Picton - what is national's plan to replace them?

 

[Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba]

Don't imagine they won't announce some sort of promise re; new ferries in the very near future.
There fear of losing every single South Is vote will be their worry.

The ferries were on time and on budget - very good price locked in too.

The issue is the life expired port-side infrastructure - National has no plan for this (Willis is a fucken idiot).

 

[Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba]

Pragmatism vs ideology? Top of our street has had millions invested in cycle lanes, complete reconfiguration of parking, footpaths and roads to accomodate them, plus it severely impacted business owners during the construction phase. It is very rare to see a cyclist on those multi-million dollar cycle paths.

That's because cycle lanes are very efficient, unlike roads. And have you been to Auckland lately, car driving in the city is in decline and everyone is whizzing about on bikes, scooters and on foot?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

That's because cycle lanes are very efficient, unlike roads. And have you been to Auckland lately, car driving in the city is in decline and everyone is whizzing about on bikes, scooters and on foot?

I walk into Auckland CBD every week day. I don’t see many cyclists and hardly anyone uses scooters these days. There’s a few walking. Buses also don’t seem to be as full as pre-Covid. Perhaps that just my area however I doubt it.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

That's because cycle lanes are very efficient, unlike roads. And have you been to Auckland lately, car driving in the city is in decline and everyone is whizzing about on bikes, scooters and on foot?

Are there any stats to support this?

Last I heard biking was supposed to be 17% of transport journeys now with the investment given but it’s still under 1% with no noticeable change. Many have said about our hilly, wet climate and geographic spread, we aren’t ever going to be Amsterdam.
Personally I think we’ve over extended trying to build a cycle, bus and train network at the same time and aren’t necessarily doing a good job trying to force solutions that aren’t delivering outcomes while at the same time underinvesting in roading.

Too much quantity too fast and not enough quality. As with the ferry’s we need someone a-political to come up with an overall strategy based on NZ tying in all transport modes. It should be based on density and city size - ie Tauranga is pushing a bus policy without the density and it’s just doomed to fail, whereas Auckland should be prioritising buses.

 

[Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba]

I walk into Auckland CBD every week day. I don’t see many cyclists and hardly anyone uses scooters these days. There’s a few walking. Buses also don’t seem to be as full as pre-Covid. Perhaps that just my area however I doubt it.

I'm in the central city everyday and its awash with peolme not driving

 

[Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba]

Are there any stats to support this?

Last I heard biking was supposed to be 17% of transport journeys now with the investment given but it’s still under 1% with no noticeable change. Many have said about our hilly, wet climate and geographic spread, we aren’t ever going to be Amsterdam.
Personally I think we’ve over extended trying to build a cycle, bus and train network at the same time and aren’t necessarily doing a good job trying to force solutions that aren’t delivering outcomes while at the same time underinvesting in roading.

Too much quantity too fast and not enough quality. As with the ferry’s we need someone a-political to come up with an overall strategy based on NZ tying in all transport modes. It should be based on density and city size - ie Tauranga is pushing a bus policy without the density and it’s just doomed to fail, whereas Auckland should be prioritising buses.

Yes there is data to support this.

Do a masters degree in transport engineering like I did and then we can talk.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I'm in the central city everyday and its awash with peolme not driving

How do you get there each day?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Mini budget out today. Usual political stuff and blame game, but what sticks out:

Treasury says the country is expected to enter a real GDP per capita recession, with GPD per head of population going backwards for two consecutive years.

This is not political, this is the real world affecting us all. This is the real economy faltering resulting in our standard of living going backwards. Tough times ahead…

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Yes there is data to support this.

Do a masters degree in transport engineering like I did and then we can talk.

So are you saying that you are partly responsible for all these cycle lanes that no one is using?

 

[dean]

I'm in the central city everyday and its awash with peolme not driving

Because there is hardly any carparking.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Because there is hardly any carparking.

Or roads that aren’t bottlenecks

 

[kos]

Are there any stats to support this?

Last I heard biking was supposed to be 17% of transport journeys now with the investment given but it’s still under 1% with no noticeable change. Many have said about our hilly, wet climate and geographic spread, we aren’t ever going to be Amsterdam.
Personally I think we’ve over extended trying to build a cycle, bus and train network at the same time and aren’t necessarily doing a good job trying to force solutions that aren’t delivering outcomes while at the same time underinvesting in roading.

Too much quantity too fast and not enough quality. As with the ferry’s we need someone a-political to come up with an overall strategy based on NZ tying in all transport modes. It should be based on density and city size - ie Tauranga is pushing a bus policy without the density and it’s just doomed to fail, whereas Auckland should be prioritising buses.

Wiz
I would have thought the Kiwi rail engineers and finance guru s would have been a political

 

[Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba]

Because there is hardly any carparking.

Yeah, its good eh? And there is going to be less and less going forward, you know like in a proper city.

 

[dean]

Yeah, its good eh? And there is going to be less and less going forward, you know like in a proper city.

I doubt it is good unless your ideology or training is to dislike cars.

 

[John Nick]

I doubt it is good unless your ideology or training is to dislike cars.

Then the next thing will be a Congestion Tax. Nothing surer.

 

[John Nick]

Or roads that aren’t bottlenecks

Or roads that aren’t bottlenecks

Or roads that aren’t bottlenecks

Here in Tauranga its pretty busy as usual for the time of year.Would be impossible if schools were still open.

 

[Rizzah]

How do you get there each day?

Lol, you are the meme.

 

[John Nick]

Lol, you are the meme.

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On the Gold Coast now you are limited to drive into Surfers Paradise.
Light rail goes through there

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Lol, you are the meme.

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That depends how you choose to interpret my question.