Post Match Titans v Warriors - [Round 16, 2024]

[Christchurch_Warrior]

One thing I don't understand is that 5 or 6 Warriors had the worst game of their careers and will individually be very dissappointed with themselves as high achieving sportspeople.
How is it possible 5 or 6 guys had their worst game of their career on the same day. What happened in the lead up to this match?
Did the coaching staff put too much pressure on them to win so in the end they were not relaxed and calm
It wasn't a short turn around?
We had plenty of crowd support
Was it the worst pre-match speech of all time by Webster
Did they all have a virus
Was there a waitress called Suzie who poisoned their food
I work with numbers and statistics for a living. The odds are astronomical that 5 or 6 normally good players would all have a nightmare on the same day.
Did they underperform on purpose?
Are those 5 or 6 players easily influenced by scoreboard pressure?

Something happened in the build up to this game that was out of the usual is my suspicion. But no idea what.

One player can make so many look bad. As an example if your number 9 is having a really bad game this would flow on to your halves which then impacts your whole team. If one player is defending badly then the players either side of them start to try and compensate and then look bad. They are a team out there.

 

[Wrighty]

A bit of that. But the only changes he will make is ones forced by injury. So maybe SJ out. Capewell, Barney and DWZ will come back in and will add something. But the two fundamental issues for me are SJ who is far to predictable and Tohu who is past his best by a fair margin. AW said they will go back and look at what changed in their preparation from when they were going good. That's not what needs looking at. Back row/lock Vs Panthers Ford, Barnett, Walker Vs Dolphins Ford, Barnett, Walker Vs Cowboys Niukore, Barnett, Walker and then in all three games TMM calling the shots with CNK and CHT at 6.

I really hate saying it but it doesn't appear to be coincidental the results are when we are back to Tohu and SJ - two absolute greats when it comes to kiwis and Warriors players but seemingly more and more like they have reached that point in their respective long careers where father time and an aging body has caught up with them. . And not helped tonight with a baffling Walker at 12 selection either.

If SJ is injured that may force Websters hand to go back to a TMM/CHT halves pairing which will be a big step in the right direction. Walker needs to be 13 for at least 60 minutes. Which leaves Tohu on the bench covering prop and maybe 20minutes at 13.

So, you may be right with AW circling the wagons and giving his players a hug. But it's meaningless if the issues, which it seems everyone can see, aren't addressed and changed. I think genuinely believes in his selections this game which leads me to believe that he wasn't just circling the wagons. And that's what gives me the shits.

I think it is both circling the wagons and also ineptitude on his part. However it is hard to be astute with an assessment on a game only 40 minutes after full time. Remember that as much as we are invested in the warriors he is invested 20 thousand times more an will be having lots of emotions that need to dissipate before he can organise any coherent thoughts,
IF he stands by those conclusions and we see CHT at lock for much of the rest of this season then he is not what we were hoping for in a coach. We just need to back him. He cost us this game with his stupid overly cute selections and he has cost us a couple of other victories but he won us those three in a row. It is so hard for any club to find a good coach. Hoping that he learns and grows from this is all we can do.
You are probably right with your assessment Inruin but I am going to hope you are wrong and we will know on TLT.

 

[mrblonde]

They were missing
Tino
Brimson
Klees Haas
Joliffe

We were missing Barnett and Capewell, but how many tries wouldn't have been conceded if they'd been there??
Yep, today is the nadir of Warriors Performances given the circumstances.

 

[Inruin]

I think it is both circling the wagons and also ineptitude on his part. However it is hard to be astute with an assessment on a game only 40 minutes after full time. Remember that as much as we are invested in the warriors he is invested 20 thousand times more an will be having lots of emotions that need to dissipate before he can organise any coherent thoughts,
IF he stands by those conclusions and we see CHT at lock for much of the rest of this season then he is not what we were hoping for in a coach. We just need to back him. He cost us this game with his stupid overly cute selections and he has cost us a couple of other victories but he won us those three in a row. It is so hard for any club to find a good coach. Hoping that he learns and grows from this is all we can do.
You are probably right with your assessment Inruin but I am going to hope you are wrong and we will know on TLT.

I hope I'm wrong too but I don't think I am. His hand was predominantly forced for those three games otherwise there is no doubt in my mind he would have gone with the same players and same results. Look, AW is the best man for the job and I don't see that changing for a number of years. But, he is still a rookie coach and will be encountering things for the first time in his career, learning to deal with them and making mistakes along the way. Hopefully he can learn fast and the telling piece will be if he can make the hard call that is needed or if he will leave it until it's decided for him

 

[mrblonde]

As pissed off as I am with today's lack of performance, if Mohawk/the Warriors board this season gave Webby the heave over doing that with one or more of the players, I'd be done with the Warriors.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "Never Sack The Coach", obviously there's a time when that's the thing to do, but Gawd Almighty, why are the players beyond reproach?!

 

[Sam]

@sup42

SJ the best defensive half in the comp, you reckon?

 

[KPWarrior]

I hope I'm wrong too but I don't think I am. His hand was predominantly forced for those three games otherwise there is no doubt in my mind he would have gone with the same players and same results. Look, AW is the best man for the job and I don't see that changing for a number of years. But, he is still a rookie coach and will be encountering things for the first time in his career, learning to deal with them and making mistakes along the way. Hopefully he can learn fast and the telling piece will be if he can make the hard call that is needed or if he will leave it until it's decided for him

I think he's backed himself into too many corners with his positional promises, just make the hard calls, play the best players in their best positions and trust in the young guys when needed.

 

[Zaggo]

Tohu was bad, SJ was bad, but what really baffles me is the selection of Walker at 12. Has he ever played in the back row? Why start now when he's been so valuable through the middle - it just made no sense.

It made even less sense to leave him there for so long. Why only bring on Laban when we were already down by about 40? What's that going to do for him?

 

[Gods_17]

I did… apart from 30 seconds to get up and answer the door for a pizza delivery. Gave the poor delivery driver an ear full as well for no reason.

Lol, he was probs a hurricanes supporter, no worries mate.

 

[mrblonde]

Is anyone else suspicious that we'll do a job on the Broncos next Saturday?
Leaving the New Zealand Warriors at No 1 as The Biggest W.T.F Professional Sports Team In The World...

 

[KPWarrior]

Is anyone else suspicious that we'll do a job on the Broncos next Saturday?
Leaving the New Zealand Warriors at No 1 as The Biggest W.T.F Professional Sports Team In The World...

Even if we pulled off a win it would only fuel the 'Origin period' theory which still baffles me

 

[Gods_17]

We were dogshit at the start.

Taking away a try for no actual reason at the end of the first half killed any chance of a comeback.

Then we were shit again. Then an absolute bullshit sin bin so the Titans start scoring for fun.

No chance the Titans score that absurd amount of points without the poor officiating and there is no chance that the bad officiating doesn't affect the players mindsets. When you don't know what the rules being officiated are. You have to second guess everything you do because there is a risk you will get Sin binned for a legal tackle.

Were we going to be able to mount a comeback? We will never actually know.


That challenge at the start was stupid though. While it was more dangerous than the Sim bin we got, it still wasn't a pen so a dumb challenge.

Fu^k, they won fair and square d_m. I agree, Marcey wouldn't of stayed down if it didn't count. But then again we've seen good/great players fake an injury after making a mistake.

HOUGH!! (like a cough but hoff without the "ff", clearing phlegm I guess.)

Unfortunately for us diehard fans, we get beaten weirdly often. It just don't make any sense!

Btw, I'm watching the replay on sky right now, hough!!!

 

[tajhay]

Even if we pulled off a win it would only fuel the 'Origin period' theory which still baffles me

And itll be the baby broncos anyway.

Tbh even if we win next week it doesnt mean anything other than 2 points.

You would think they will come out with more intent and energy to start next game. After the first 20 though who knows what they will dish up as this warriors team just has no consistency.

 

[Gods_17]

What a let down this season is. I thought we’d be different but we’re doing a carve and copy of the Cowboys 2022-23 seasons. Getting that familiar shit feeling from past times when all we were hoping for was a win every now and then, amongst all the too many shitty performances like today. When in reality we all had hopes of a premiership this year.

We definitely fucked up and killed the momentum bringing Harris, SJ etc back. Bring in all our young brigade Halasima, Sifakila, Maiu’u, Leiataua, Graham-Taufa, Pasikala, Tauapiki they know how to win. Give Martin the keys to the team, him and Metcalf will make a good halves pairing.

Hmm, I've given this a "thumbs up like."

 

[CWC]

Tohu was bad, SJ was bad, but what really baffles me is the selection of Walker at 12. Has he ever played in the back row? Why start now when he's been so valuable through the middle - it just made no sense.

It made even less sense to leave him there for so long. Why only bring on Laban when we were already down by about 40? What's that going to do for him?

Walker’s 1st game at second row. Just to keep Tohu at 13.

The coach’s form feeds onto the players obviously

 

[CWC]

One thing I don't understand is that 5 or 6 Warriors had the worst game of their careers and will individually be very dissappointed with themselves as high achieving sportspeople.
How is it possible 5 or 6 guys had their worst game of their career on the same day. What happened in the lead up to this match?
Did the coaching staff put too much pressure on them to win so in the end they were not relaxed and calm
It wasn't a short turn around?
We had plenty of crowd support
Was it the worst pre-match speech of all time by Webster
Did they all have a virus
Was there a waitress called Suzie who poisoned their food
I work with numbers and statistics for a living. The odds are astronomical that 5 or 6 normally good players would all have a nightmare on the same day.
Did they underperform on purpose?
Are those 5 or 6 players easily influenced by scoreboard pressure?

Something happened in the build up to this game that was out of the usual is my suspicion. But no idea what.

I think when you went through an amazing run a month ago and now watching the bottom team putting 30+ on you in front of a stadium where most of the crowd are supporting you, while your star lock is stuck at 12 and the same playmaker who’s lost 6 in a row when he plays revert to the same plays and high kick patterns, many will break

PTSD

Also think when RTS lost that attacking bomb contest early and they ran 40m down field probability disturbed them as well

 

[mrblonde]

this warriors team just has no consistency.

Same as every dang team before it!
I'm sure the Merriam-Webster Dictionary will announce "Wahlike" as a word at some point: "adjective to be inconsistent. 'The origins of this term relate back to the New Zealand Warriors, a rugby league team from New Zealand. The "Wahs" being a term by which the team have become known since 2023.'"

 

[kurgal]

Btw, I'm watching the replay on sky right now, hough!!!

You must be a masochist!

 

[Worried2Death]

Can't believe we're the Titans bitches, are they our Anzac Day opposition from now on? Why is this happening.

 

[CWC]

Can't believe we're the Titans bitches, are they our Anzac Day opposition from now on? Why is this happening.

Some weird ANZAC Day energy channeling to our opponents