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Auckland stadium battle: Eden Park, Quay Park projects unfeasible without public funding - report​


The contest to be crowned Auckland’s “Main Stadium” has concluded with the two contestants failing to show their glitzy plans are feasible without significant public funding.

Nearly two years after Mayor Wayne Brown set out to resolve a “Main Stadium” for the city, the two preferred options – an upgrade of Eden Park and a waterfront stadium at Quay Park – go before councillors on Thursday.

Eden Park 2.1 involves increasing the stadium’s capacity to 60,000, a retractable roof, a new north stand, upgrades to two other grandstands and a pedestrian promenade to Sandringham Rd.

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Te Tōangaroa is more ambitious and includes a 50,000-seat stadium that can be scaled down to 20,000 capacity for smaller events as the centrepiece for the redevelopment of Quay Park with up to four hotels, hospitality, scope for 2000 apartments plus commercial offices.

A report by senior officers has concluded that “neither proponent has demonstrated that their proposal is feasible without significant public funding”.

It said Te Tōangaroa has not demonstrated that its proposals are technically or commercially feasible at this stage and wants more time to do so.

Over the next 12 months, the consortium behind the plan at Quay Park intends to progress with land acquisition.

Eden Park 2.1 is technically feasible, but not financially feasible because it relies on significant public funding, according to the report.

Officers said Eden Park could be progressed in stages, and there may be merit in Government support in the early stages.

The Eden Park Trust is seeking $110 million from the Government for the first stage to redevelop the Lower North Stand, the report said.

This would be followed by redeveloping the Upper North Stand with potential additions such as hotel and student accommodation. Stage 3 would see the installation of a retractable roof.

The report said there are no plans for Auckland Council to provide funding towards a major stadium upgrade or new stadium.

One option for councillors is to stick with the status quo, leaving privately owned Eden Park as the city’s largest stadium, and the council managing Go Media (Mt Smart), North Harbour and Western Springs.

Separately from the “Main Stadium” project, the council is considering three rival bids to develop stadium facilities at Western Springs.

A group of high-profile New Zealanders – including businesswoman Anna Mowbray and her husband, former All Blacks lock Ali Williams – is behind the proposal to build a new 12,500-seat sports stadium and community sports facilities.

CRS Records, a music promoter and event producer, has proposed to privately fund turning the venue into a place for live entertainment and festivals, with the capability to host cultural events, as well as community sports and activities, with a maximum capacity of 45,000.*

Ponsonby Rugby Club wants to extend its current occupancy and expand operations to other sports, while enabling the venue to host 50,000-capacity concerts through redevelopment of the site with a proposal to the council for further funding.


* @juju, is this you?
 

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Auckland stadium battle: Eden Park, Quay Park projects unfeasible without public funding - report​


The contest to be crowned Auckland’s “Main Stadium” has concluded with the two contestants failing to show their glitzy plans are feasible without significant public funding.

Nearly two years after Mayor Wayne Brown set out to resolve a “Main Stadium” for the city, the two preferred options – an upgrade of Eden Park and a waterfront stadium at Quay Park – go before councillors on Thursday.

Eden Park 2.1 involves increasing the stadium’s capacity to 60,000, a retractable roof, a new north stand, upgrades to two other grandstands and a pedestrian promenade to Sandringham Rd.

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Te Tōangaroa is more ambitious and includes a 50,000-seat stadium that can be scaled down to 20,000 capacity for smaller events as the centrepiece for the redevelopment of Quay Park with up to four hotels, hospitality, scope for 2000 apartments plus commercial offices.

A report by senior officers has concluded that “neither proponent has demonstrated that their proposal is feasible without significant public funding”.

It said Te Tōangaroa has not demonstrated that its proposals are technically or commercially feasible at this stage and wants more time to do so.

Over the next 12 months, the consortium behind the plan at Quay Park intends to progress with land acquisition.

Eden Park 2.1 is technically feasible, but not financially feasible because it relies on significant public funding, according to the report.

Officers said Eden Park could be progressed in stages, and there may be merit in Government support in the early stages.

The Eden Park Trust is seeking $110 million from the Government for the first stage to redevelop the Lower North Stand, the report said.

This would be followed by redeveloping the Upper North Stand with potential additions such as hotel and student accommodation. Stage 3 would see the installation of a retractable roof.

The report said there are no plans for Auckland Council to provide funding towards a major stadium upgrade or new stadium.

One option for councillors is to stick with the status quo, leaving privately owned Eden Park as the city’s largest stadium, and the council managing Go Media (Mt Smart), North Harbour and Western Springs.

Separately from the “Main Stadium” project, the council is considering three rival bids to develop stadium facilities at Western Springs.

A group of high-profile New Zealanders – including businesswoman Anna Mowbray and her husband, former All Blacks lock Ali Williams – is behind the proposal to build a new 12,500-seat sports stadium and community sports facilities.

CRS Records, a music promoter and event producer, has proposed to privately fund turning the venue into a place for live entertainment and festivals, with the capability to host cultural events, as well as community sports and activities, with a maximum capacity of 45,000.*

Ponsonby Rugby Club wants to extend its current occupancy and expand operations to other sports, while enabling the venue to host 50,000-capacity concerts through redevelopment of the site with a proposal to the council for further funding.


* @juju, is this you?
I wish Mike.
 
Just build a proper Sth stand at Mt Smart to replace that scaffolding eyesore and call it a day.
The stupid thing is that the Council rejected the Tank Farm option because they already had plans for Wynyard Wharf..... but that was going to be fully privately funded.

IMO, we're going to be struck with a roof over a cricket pitch at Eden Park purely because of cost. But the current government doesn't have either the balls or the money to do it so we'll have to wait until there's a change in government to get what no one really wants.

The whole thing JUST SUX!!!!

Here's an idea.... call in the current loans to EPTB.... when they can't repay them, DON'T write off the loans but change the local by-laws and central government laws to allow the EPTB to develop EP #2 and then get the EPTB to fund their own upgrades to EP #1 while repaying both the central and local government the money they owe. And the first person to say that the three new stands should be shaped to allow cricket to get played there, gets to bungee jump of the Skytower without a rope attached to their feet.
 
Remember the headlines that Councillors getting invited to events won't sway their decision.:unsure: It was the expensive stadium they know about vs the new expensive stadium that had question marks about it.

This is disappointing. A chance to do something properly.

The team behind the new stadium really needed to have everything sorted. Where the funding was coming from etc. I'd say they likely didn't have everything they needed to have.

Let's hope the plan is still to have Mt Smart as a medium-sized venue and it gets regular investment.
 
The stupid thing is that the Council rejected the Tank Farm option because they already had plans for Wynyard Wharf..... but that was going to be fully privately funded.

IMO, we're going to be struck with a roof over a cricket pitch at Eden Park purely because of cost. But the current government doesn't have either the balls or the money to do it so we'll have to wait until there's a change in government to get what no one really wants.

The whole thing JUST SUX!!!!

Here's an idea.... call in the current loans to EPTB.... when they can't repay them, DON'T write off the loans but change the local by-laws and central government laws to allow the EPTB to develop EP #2 and then get the EPTB to fund their own upgrades to EP #1 while repaying both the central and local government the money they owe. And the first person to say that the three new stands should be shaped to allow cricket to get played there, gets to bungee jump of the Skytower without a rope attached to their feet.
Called it. Council has no money so they’ve gone with the version that will cost them the less.
 
This is a bit of a weird decision.

Only stage 1 of the Eden Park 2.1 plan. Upgrading the lower North Stand costing $110 million.

They still need to source the capital.
The cost for this work is $110 million and the Eden Park Trust will be asking central government for that money.

It's a decision but not a fully committed one. The Eden Park Trust Board will back trying to get the next stages done. Ideally the Trust Board should be able to fund upgrades from the use of the park. But we know that isn't possible.
Councillors didn’t go as far as to support the full Eden Park 2.1 project, which includes upgrading the upper tier of the North Stand for stage two, or stage three’s retractable roof which would cost $282 million.

 
A condition of any further council funding should be that RCs are given to hold as many events as possible

It’s ridiculous that rate payer money goes towards a privately owned stadium that doesn’t meet the needs of the public it serves

Add to that, rugby is slowly dying. They should be basing their decisions on the future needs of a city with evolving entertainment tastes. Who cares if it sells out a few ABs games every year? More important to have a host of sold out concerts and frequent use from other sports etc

If Eden park isn’t commercial without public funding, then it should be sold so that they naysayers there can instead live next to retirement villages and apartments
 
We know funds are tight but this is a disappointing decision. The locals will continue to bitch & moan about the noise / parking etc issues & it will continue on as just another expensive white eleohant.
Would have preferred Eden Park was sold & the proceeds put into a downscaled but modern waterfront option with an apportunity to develop further as funds allow
 
We know funds are tight but this is a disappointing decision. The locals will continue to bitch & moan about the noise / parking etc issues & it will continue on as just another expensive white eleohant.
Would have preferred Eden Park was sold & the proceeds put into a downscaled but modern waterfront option with an apportunity to develop further as funds allow
yeah but then the councillors wouldn't have got free hospitality while it was being built, can't have that.
 
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