General Mt Smart Stadium

[Inruin]

This plan is a lot better than the previous one they were trying to force on the club.

It should mean some upgrades to Mt Smart over time.

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The main stadium would be used for large concerts, All Blacks tests, Super Rugby and Warriors playoff games, Black Caps ODI/T20 games and high-profile international football fixtures.

FFS I would have hoped they would have learned that trying to fir cricket in with rectangle field sports isn't the answer. I hope the doesn't premeditate Eden Park getting the green light. How do cities line Hamilton get a venue like Seddon Park yet Auckland gets a monstrosity like Eden Park?

 

[Billyspleen75]

There's a few too many guesses and ramblings in that article. I'll believe that they are discussing a few of the options but I seriously doubt this reporter has the full picture.

 

[snake77]

The main stadium would be used for large concerts, All Blacks tests, Super Rugby and Warriors playoff games, Black Caps ODI/T20 games and high-profile international football fixtures.

FFS I would have hoped they would have learned that trying to fir cricket in with rectangle field sports isn't the answer. I hope the doesn't premeditate Eden Park getting the green light. How do cities line Hamilton get a venue like Seddon Park yet Auckland gets a monstrosity like Eden Park?

I didn't notice the cricket part. I like having football stadiums of varying sizes. However, cricket needs to be played at stadium that is the right shape.

The Blues and Warriors would probably draw bigger crowds but it would be used for cricket more often. I'm guessing only due to the shape.

 

[Inruin]

I didn't notice the cricket part. I like having football stadiums of varying sizes. However, cricket needs to be played at stadium that is the right shape.

The Blues and Warriors would probably draw bigger crowds but it would be used for cricket more often. I'm guessing only due to the shape.

I'm not sure why we need a large and a medium stadium. Forget the cricket and just have a large stadium that you can close off the upper tiers to accommodate a medium size crowd.

I'd get a new stadium downtown and demolish Eden Park and make it a cricket venue, centre of excellence and apartments.

 

[Po11um]

Eden park not that bad they just need to sort out the parking & the neighbors and cut the cost of food/drinks at the stadium . Public transport is very close to the stadium.

 

[Riz]

I didn't notice the cricket part. I like having football stadiums of varying sizes. However, cricket needs to be played at stadium that is the right shape.

The Blues and Warriors would probably draw bigger crowds but it would be used for cricket more often. I'm guessing only due to the shape.

The Christchurch template is perfect, state of the art rectangular stadium and a picturesque low cost dedicated cricket oval. The Auckland stadium should cater for 50k capacity, but be tiered in a way that top sections can be closed off to create an capacity crowd experience even when it's half full.

 

[Zaggo]

I do not understand the obsession by Eden Park to cling to cricket. I can only assume it's because the Trust knows their finances are cooked and their future is increasingly bleak if the Council cuts their handouts.

 

[miket12]

I do not understand the obsession by Eden Park to cling to cricket. I can only assume it's because the Trust knows their finances are cooked and their future is increasingly bleak if the Council cuts their handouts.

It’s a carry over from before the upgrades at Eden Park when the Eden Park Trust Board was made up of representatives from the two stakeholders in the Park…. Auckland Rugby Union and Auckland Cricket. Part of the council agreeing to put money into EP was that the council would also have members on the board.

The problem with EP is that the speculators are too far away for league, Union and soccer but the ground is too small for test cricket and is still to small for smaller cricket formats.

Personally, I’d like either a new stadium or a revamped EP with cricket moved out to WS or Colin Maiden. Eden Park is, every 24 years, where the NZC likes being on the world stage co-hosting a big tournament with Australia so they think we need a cricket venue capable of holding 50k plus so NZ can host a semifinal here. It’s actually ridiculous that the rest of the time, we have to suffer with a ridiculously shaped national stadium for one game every 24-30 years.

Change the central government laws and local body laws and allow the EPTB to develop EP2, and leasehold the land so the EPTB gets ground rent to pay for the upkeep of EP and pay for the loans the local and central government loans that keep on getting written off. Make it a rectangular ground with a soundproof roof to have concerts.

Upgrade Mt Smart to have permanent undercover seating to the northern and southern banks, increase the capacity to 35,000 and put in proper catering. Eventually, put a roof over it.

 

[Teets]

Do we even need a 50k stadium?

Similar sized countries with much higher GDP like Norway and Switzerland make do with smaller sized main stadiums.

Just get rid of Eden Park, give Mt Smart proper Nth and Sth stands, tell cricket to fuck off, and call it a day.

 

[JustLikeStartingOver]

Do we even need a 50k stadium?

Similar sized countries with much higher GDP like Norway and Switzerland make do with smaller sized main stadiums.

Just get rid of Eden Park, give Mt Smart proper Nth and Sth stands, tell cricket to fuck off, and call it a day.

we'd end up too embarrassed looking over at the australian stadiums to have the cake tin as the biggest venue in the country.

 

[miket12]

Do we even need a 50k stadium?

Similar sized countries with much higher GDP like Norway and Switzerland make do with smaller sized main stadiums.

Just get rid of Eden Park, give Mt Smart proper Nth and Sth stands, tell cricket to fuck off, and call it a day.

The largest college football stadium in the states is Michigan Stadium which has a capacity of 107,601. Yet, the college only has 58,000 students and is located in East Lansing (which is a town with a permanent population of less than 48,000). And people wonder if a country approaching 6 million should have a stadium of over 50,000. What we need is a tiered stadium where tickets for the top tier/s aren't sold until the lowest tier has been sold out i.e. 30K lowest tier and 20K highest tier.

 

[bomb to vats]

Western Springs is going to be developed by Auckland FC owners into a circa 10-20k seat boutique stadium. Not official or announced as yet but plans are in place.

I don't know how this impacts Mt Smart, North Harbor or Eden Park. But can imagine North Harbour Stadium will be demolished and Mt Smart is redeveloped for Warriors

 

[Teets]

The largest college football stadium in the states is Michigan Stadium which has a capacity of 107,601. Yet, the college only has 58,000 students and is located in East Lansing (which is a town with a permanent population of less than 48,000). And people wonder if a country approaching 6 million should have a stadium of over 50,000. What we need is a tiered stadium where tickets for the top tier/s aren't sold until the lowest tier has been sold out i.e. 30K lowest tier and 20K highest tier.

This isn't America. NZ has nothing approaching college football, the AFL is the only sport that approaches it in attendance in Australasia.

Besides the odd AB game or one off event for RL and soccer there's no sport here that needs more than 40k.

 

[miket12]

This isn't America. NZ has nothing approaching college football, the AFL is the only sport that approaches it in attendance in Australasia.

Besides the odd AB game or one off event for RL and soccer there's no sport here that needs more than 40k.

Okay then. Why does America have 36 soccer stadiums all with a capacity of over 50,000? No where near the following of American football.

 

[roguei]

Okay then. Why does America have 36 soccer stadiums all with a capacity of over 50,000? No where near the following of American football.

America is pretty big, just population wise. According to this it's the second highest attended league in the world with 12.1 million fans attending matches. It's not small in any reguard. Compared to NRL where in total for all clubs, we only got 4.7 million in attendance. That is including NZ...

 

[Zaggo]

Okay then. Why does America have 36 soccer stadiums all with a capacity of over 50,000? No where near the following of American football.

Where are you pulling that figure from, besides out of your behind?

There's 30 stadiums used for Major League Soccer in the US, and do you know how many have a capacity over 50k? Zero. They are all generally around the 20k mark.

There will be football stadiums that can host soccer, but it's completely misleading to say there's 36 massive soccer stadiums there.

 

[slime]

Here are some top leagues in average attendance from 2023:

• NFL 69,526 (272 games) USA
• AFL 38,365 (216 games) Australia
• MLB 29,114 (2,430 games) USA
• MLS 23,234 (493 games) USA
• NRL 20,605 (213 games) Australia
• NBA 18,324 (1,230 games) USA
• NHL 17,433 (1,312 games) USA

There's no way you would need a 50,000 capacity stadium in NZ.

Compare the USA's population of 340 million to Australia (26.6m) and NZ (5.2m).

The Sky 'Cake Tin' Stadium in Wellington's total number of seats: 34,500 (public seats - non-members, non-boxes: 31,000).

The Phoenix play to about 7000 on the regular: https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/sky-stadium/crowds

 

[miket12]

Where are you pulling that figure from, besides out of your behind?

There's 30 stadiums used for Major League Soccer in the US, and do you know how many have a capacity over 50k? Zero. They are all generally around the 20k mark.

There will be football stadiums that can host soccer, but it's completely misleading to say there's 36 massive soccer stadiums there.

Right.... and football stadiums with a huge capacity are used to host soccer games (where the crowd would be less). Chicago Fire FC play at Soldier Field (capacity 61,000) but their largest crowd is only just over 25,000 and their best average attendance was for the 23/24 season with just over 21,000. The simple fact is they could fill SeatGeek Stadium every week but choose to play at the larger Soldier Field.

Columbus Crew used to play at a studium capable of holding over 100,000 but their largest crowd ever was 20,000. LA Galaxy played at the Rose Bowl with a capacity over 100K but largest club game crowd was 26,000. Colorado Rapids played at the Mile High Stadium (capacity 75,000) with a largest home crowd of just over 17,500.

Pheonix has a population 150k less than Auckland yet has a stadium (State Farm) capable of holding over 63,000. Philadelphia has a population 250K less than Auckland yet has a stadium (Lincoln Financial Fiel) capable of holding over 67,000. Dallas Fort Worth has a population 500K less than Auckland yet AT&T can hold 80,000. The largest high school stadium in Texas holds 20K in Canyon City but only has a population of 14,500.

In other words, make a stadium in Auckland capable of holding more than what's needed (within reason) for the times it needs a larger capacity. It's my opinion that a stadium should be able to hold 50,000 max.

 

[miket12]

Here are some top leagues in average attendance from 2023:

• NFL 69,526 (272 games) USA
• AFL 38,365 (216 games) Australia
• MLB 29,114 (2,430 games) USA
• MLS 23,234 (493 games) USA
• NRL 20,605 (213 games) Australia
• NBA 18,324 (1,230 games) USA
• NHL 17,433 (1,312 games) USA

There's no way you would need a 50,000 capacity stadium in NZ.

Compare the USA's population of 340 million to Australia (26.6m) and NZ (5.2m).

The Sky 'Cake Tin' Stadium in Wellington's total number of seats: 34,500 (public seats - non-members, non-boxes: 31,000).

The Phoenix play to about 7000 on the regular: https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/sky-stadium/crowds

Only four US cities (NYC, LA, Chicago and Houston) have a population greater than Auckland and only one (NYC) has a population greater than Sydney.... yet multiple cities have stadiums with a capacity greater than 50,000.

 

[miket12]

For those interested.... the Warriors had the fourth largest average attendance last season (not including the LV games). The third (ACCOR) averaged only 20 people more each game but that included the GF.