General League Lounge with Shaun Johnson

[wizard of Tauranga]

I know what you mean, but I still think we need to be good at this style for situations where we're pushed into it.

The historical Warriors version of a gameplan has been:
1. Use Talent.
2. If Talent Works, Whether Points or Repeat Sets, Go To 1.
3. If Talent Does Not Work, Um...Ah...Yeah...

So, yep, much more enjoyable than a Grind, but if we end up at 3, we need to Grind, even if only for a bit.

Nowadays we are Grinding first, bash 'em enough and the tries will flow being the idea, I guess. But are we still bashing when the bashing that's been done is enough?

Of course, the NRL could legislate against boring. That's actually a weakness that a lot of people seem to see as a strength of Rugby League. The rulebook is so small that there's a lot of challanges, re-interpretations etc that clubs have made because, hey, the rules don't say they can't and they work for us. Obvious examples, crusher tackles, gangtackling, whoever started those things, apparantly an argument between Melbourne and Sydney as to who tried it and had success with it first.

The games defence focused where defence beats attack. But it’s gone more than that where a defensive team beats a well balanced team.

Don’t we want well balanced teams with attack and defence to be the best?

The only way to bring balance back and reward attack is through tweaking the rules at NRL level to reward attack more. Left field examples Eg lowers to 12 players per side; 7 tackle sets; borderline tries/ penalties/ errors/ contesting kicks, etc automatically give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team.

 

[mrblonde]

The games defence focused where defence beats attack. But it’s gone more than that where a defensive team beats a well balanced team.

Don’t we want well balanced teams with attack and defence to be the best?

The only way to bring balance back and reward attack is through tweaking the rules at NRL level to reward attack more. Left field examples Eg lowers to 12 players per side; 7 tackle sets; borderline tries/ penalties/ errors/ contesting kicks, etc automatically give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team.

Even more leftfield:
Warriors start their set on our goalline.
Takle 1. They make 10M
The Tackle Count Restarts. In other words, 10M+ Runs Don't Count In Your Tackle Count.

Talked about it last night

It's getting to the point where I'm half-expecting Lachie Galvin to be on TV negotiating peace between Israel and Hamas, he's been such a big damn deal on NRL360...

To give them credit, Matty And Cronk give Leka's try heaps of attention on Monday. Although the narrative was more "the Knights were unlucky in parts, not good enough in parts" etc which you'd expect, being an Aussie show.

 

[Canonball]

Even more leftfield:
Warriors start their set on our goalline.
Takle 1. They make 10M
The Tackle Count Restarts. In other words, 10M+ Runs Don't Count In Your Tackle Count.

Legal forward passes allowed in certain situations and only one per tackle, blockers allowed off the ball in certain situations, helmets, shoulder pads.... lol

Nah, I'm actually pretty good withe the defensive mindset, it gives you more intense contests... it's the difference between lower grades and the nrl, and say super league for example

 

[CWC]

Very begrudgingly too.

I could have farted for longer than they talked about it.

Just saw it, wow

“I’ve been copping it since Monday cuz we didn’t have time (but had the tigers drop goal as moment of the week)” then everyone rumbled for 5 seconds each clearly not prepared, Leka’s try in the background, and then they change topic

And we wonder how SJ didn’t get the dally m, Jerome probably get snubbed too if he had that season for the warriors

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I think it’s great having the show as a significant NZ media show.

It puts pressure on the NRL when they show things like Egans no try. In the past there has been no real scrutiny as it’s ‘only the Warriors’ but a high profile show that keeps bringing these things up provides a lot more mainstream media pressure for the NRL to ensure we get a fair deal.

 

[watcher]

I think it’s great having the show as a significant NZ media show.

It puts pressure on the NRL when they show things like Egans no try. In the past there has been no real scrutiny as it’s ‘only the Warriors’ but a high profile show that keeps bringing these things up provides a lot more mainstream media pressure for the NRL to ensure we get a fair deal.

High profile here, not Aussie mate. I have a new hate, that Dan Ginnane is a tosser imo.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

High profile here, not Aussie mate. I have a new hate, that Dan Ginnane is a tosser imo.

Correct, but the feelings of the NZ public will be channeled into this public forum. The Nz media and social
Media will feed of this show.

The NRL will take notice as they want to protect their brand.

In any case, I think this season has generally been one of the most balanced refereeing performances towards the Warriors (and not just because we’re winning).

 

[KO WAI RA]

Kiaora Famz…
Can anyone tell me the supporters bays at accor for doggies game 9th August??

 

[Playdaball]

Very begrudgingly too.

I could have farted for longer than they talked about it.

Serious bowel injury?
360 is centred around their market .. Sydney teams. Tune into Monty and co if yoiu want a NZ perspective.

 

[sydneywarrior92]

Leka's try is on par with Coates try last year and 360 didn't even show it

on par? I'd say it's better. Coates just had to dive a couple meters out. Leka had to run 45 meters, step the fullback, carry three defenders to the line and hope momentum dragged him over!

 

[FormerlyJamesW]

Serious bowel injury?

Nah, just excellent bowl control.

360 is centred around their market .. Sydney teams. Tune into Monty and co if yoiu want a NZ perspective.

Nothing against the team there., but I'm not a huge Sky panel fan. SJ's commentary is the only one I can get into as his passion for the game really shows.

 

[sydneywarrior92]

Nah, just excellent bowl control.



Nothing against the team there., but I'm not a huge Sky panel fan. SJ's commentary is the only one I can get into as his passion for the game really shows.

the problem with the sky commentary is that they clearly lack the league knowledge of the fox team. Conversely The fox and nine teams in aussie conversely just don't have any incentive to cover us. It's great when SJ goes on fox and educates Aussies on the realities of the wahs rather than the 20 year old tropes they would keep spouting if he wasn't there.

 

[FormerlyJamesW]

the problem with the sky commentary clearly lack the league knowledge of the fox team. Conversely The fox and nine teams in aussies just don't have any incentive to cover us. It's great when SJ goes on fox and educates Aussies on the realities of the wahs rather than the 20 year old tropes they would keep spouting if he wasn't there.

I'm sure the panelists for both instances know their stuff. They're just a boring watch.

The Fox and Sky panels take themselves too seriously.

I want to see emotions out of these people. Happiness, sadness, excitement and dread...etc. Screw 'professionalism'.

 

[jonesy101]

High profile here, not Aussie mate. I have a new hate, that Dan Ginnane is a tosser imo.

I like Dan Ginnane. When he's appeared on some of the sports radio over here he knows a lot about how the team is performing, unlike some.

 

[Teets]

It's way too short. He's literally speed running through the program. Sky needs to see the obvious and give him 48 minutes.

Agree. They barely get started on

The games defence focused where defence beats attack. But it’s gone more than that where a defensive team beats a well balanced team.

Don’t we want well balanced teams with attack and defence to be the best?

The only way to bring balance back and reward attack is through tweaking the rules at NRL level to reward attack more. Left field examples Eg lowers to 12 players per side; 7 tackle sets; borderline tries/ penalties/ errors/ contesting kicks, etc automatically give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team.

My tweak would be to stop rewarding gang tackling, wrestle and stacking with so much extra time to slow/clear the ruck.

One on one old school legs tackles shouldn't effectively be penalized the way they are currently.

Teams shouldn't get extra time to peel off the tackle because 2-3 players have stacked on the tackled player.

 

[Beastmode]

Agree. They barely get started on


My tweak would be to stop rewarding gang tackling, wrestle and stacking with so much extra time to slow/clear the ruck.

One on one old school legs tackles shouldn't effectively be penalized the way they are currently.

Teams shouldn't get extra time to peel off the tackle because 2-3 players have stacked on the tackled player.

Its a great point.
Max two players in a tackle. No third man in to slow the play.
The game would be way faster and far more entertaining.
Maybe only in 10m line you can have as many tacklers as you want....

 

[mrblonde]

Legal forward passes allowed in certain situations and only one per tackle, blockers allowed off the ball in certain situations, helmets, shoulder pads.... lol

Nah, I'm actually pretty good withe the defensive mindset, it gives you more intense contests... it's the difference between lower grades and the nrl, and say super league for example

There is a balance to be had. 40-38 scorelines are great every so often, but too many of them and you're like "You're both shithouse defensively, we just need to hold your attack for a bit and you're toast!"
Same with 2-4 type scorelines. Just break their defensive structures once or twice...

Maybe time to move this part of the thread to NRL Rules or whatever

Anyway, Shaun, if you're watching - or Blake, who I think actually has a future on TV - we've given you some talking points, mebbe give nzwarriors.com some publicity, hey?