Sports Cricket World Cup 2023

[Ever Hopeful]

Good 20/20 player with a great eye, but Fakhar is a dirty slogger who should have no home in ODI cricket. He did the same in the last century he scored against us in Pakistan. The Lance Klusener of 2023

You cannot have pitches that offer nothing for the bowlers in ODIs otherwise you bring people without technical proficiency into the game. They can stay in t20

 

[Ever Hopeful]

A shortened game is very, very bad for NZ.

 

[Canadian_Warriors_Fan]

A shortened game is very, very bad for NZ.

Yep, they are 10 runs ahead of us atm.

 

[Ever Hopeful]

Rain calls off the baseball again, and I'm beaten. I thought with the early start, I might actually see a full game.

The crowd at cow corner is safe for a while.

 

[Wigan Warrior]

We've been worse than awful

 

[Makasene]

A recurring issue for NZ, unable to take wickets at the top.

8 wickets in the powerplay in 8 games is woeful.

It is advantage Pakistan in that they will know exactly what is required to beat Eng and surpass us on NRR for 4th spot.

We however have the opportunity to pulverise Sri Lanka and give Pakistan an insurmountable task.

I will say however, there ain't much point in us making the semis this tournament - I'd expect any of the other top 3 to rinse us

 

[3rdstriker]

Man how can our bowlers be so disrespectful to our batters especially Ravindra and Williamson we only needed one or two more wickets we would've won.
What sort of Lines was Boult bowling, was he trying too hard? at least Southee tried to take the boundary away from the batsman.

 

[tyrael]

A recurring issue for NZ, unable to take wickets at the top.

8 wickets in the powerplay in 8 games is woeful.

It is advantage Pakistan in that they will know exactly what is required to beat Eng and surpass us on NRR for 4th spot.

We however have the opportunity to pulverise Sri Lanka and give Pakistan an insurmountable task.

I will say however, there ain't much point in us making the semis this tournament - I'd expect any of the other top 3 to rinse us

Because we have broken and old bowlers. One is fine in terms of line and length, think McGrath for Australia but the development of bowlers have been terrible. Boult pretty much only played T20 for over a year, in ODI players can leave now balls of his but actually like the last couple of games, he's getting smoked because he hasn't been bowling for more than 2 overs at a time.

Milne and Ferguson are always broken, so what kind of conditioning are they getting from NZC.

We have never played any spinners except for tall left arm off spinners. Where is the development? Sodhi, 2x Patel and Wiseman never got the game times they deserved and who else knows who is being neglected right now. What upcoming kid wants to develop into a class spin bowler when they get no support, green wickets and no blackcap to look up to.

Then you look at Henry who was always class hardly got game time until Boult decided he didn't want a contract anymore. Jamieson is only just being called up... They choose an old Jimmy Neesham over him.....wtf.

I totally understand that the money in New Zealand isn't there but we should be using the money we have to have good quality development.

We have always performed at tournaments without winning much. Our conversation rate is so poor for the amount of finals we make because we've always relied on 1 or 2 players to get us our of the poop. Williamson, Hairy Javelin etc.

I love Cricket but I wish I could be more happy about New Zealand Cricket.

 

[Ever Hopeful]

Boult is still one of the very best bowlers in the world and his bowling has been fine. Santner is also one of the best bowlers in the world. Ferguson is excellent, Henry is very, very good. Sodhi bowls a bad ball in the over, but can be very effective in shorter format cricket. Southee is a year past retirement. Neesham never was. Shaheen Afridi who is the best ranked bowler in the world was taken to the cleaners too remember. As was Haris Rauf who people are also writing off despite being brilliant in fair conditions. In the last few months I have consistently seen the South African, Pakistan, and England bowlers labelled as ineffective, and they are just not in fair conditions.

It is pointless blaming the bowlers. Some of these pitches are rolled mud, yesterday's pitch looked like a piece of glass from the aerial shot. These lower bouncing pitches with no swing, seam or spin of any kind have an excruciatingly small margin of error (if any). Players can use bats that have all the meat at the lower end of the blade and just swing through the line. If you are Fakhar, you can swing your meat axe to balls outside off and launch them over mid-wicket with no fear because the ball is going to stay on its exact line, and bounce directly into your hitting arc.

This is a world cup for those strong burly hitters, and it is not a world cup for the technicians. 50 0ver cricket will indeed be a relic of the past if it is treated like an extended 20/20 of big hitting for fan value. I have my knickers in a twist as you can tell, because this is just not what 50 over cricket is about. Though tilted in favour of batting, it has always ensured that there is something in it for everyone, and in the past pitches like this have been declared poor, and taken off the world circuit until they are made more sporting. Even in India there has always been early swing (no seam), spin in the middle, and reverse swing late. We are getting none of that.

 

[Ever Hopeful]

And for those who think our bowlers are so terribly shitter than the rest;

outside of India's Shami and Bumrah in home conditions name all the bowlers that are having a stellar tournament.

After that name the batsman having stellar tournaments.

 

[tyrael]

Boult is still one of the very best bowlers in the world and his bowling has been fine. Santner is also one of the best bowlers in the world. Ferguson is excellent, Henry is very, very good. Sodhi bowls a bad ball in the over, but can be very effective in shorter format cricket. Southee is a year past retirement. Neesham never was. Shaheen Afridi who is the best ranked bowler in the world was taken to the cleaners too remember. As was Haris Rauf who people are also writing off despite being brilliant in fair conditions. In the last few months I have consistently seen the South African, Pakistan, and England bowlers labelled as ineffective, and they are just not in fair conditions.

It is pointless blaming the bowlers. Some of these pitches are rolled mud, yesterday's pitch looked like a piece of glass from the aerial shot. These lower bouncing pitches with no swing, seam or spin of any kind have an excruciatingly small margin of error (if any). Players can use bats that have all the meat at the lower end of the blade and just swing through the line. If you are Fakhar, you can swing your meat axe to balls outside off and launch them over mid-wicket with no fear because the ball is going to stay on its exact line, and bounce directly into your hitting arc.

This is a world cup for those strong burly hitters, and it is not a world cup for the technicians. 50 0ver cricket will indeed be a relic of the past if it is treated like an extended 20/20 of big hitting for fan value. I have my knickers in a twist as you can tell, because this is just not what 50 over cricket is about. Though tilted in favour of batting, it has always ensured that there is something in it for everyone, and in the past pitches like this have been declared poor, and taken off the world circuit until they are made more sporting. Even in India there has always been early swing (no seam), spin in the middle, and reverse swing late. We are getting none of that.

I didn't blame the bowlers, I blamed NZC.

 

[Ever Hopeful]

I didn't blame the bowlers, I blamed NZC.

I wasn't quoting you.

But on NZC, we are a severely under resourced nation both in terms of player numbers and financial clout. The fact that we have been so good for so long is actually incredible.

As far as NZC's development of wickets and players with all round skills, I agree - 10 years ago. Our real transition to success was due to a changing home landscape in the pitches we produced as much as it was our once in a generation cricketers. Our pitches were replaced, which finally meant the dibbly dobblers of the past were no longer rewarded and bowlers that could bowl in all parts of the world (except Australia it seems) blossomed. In addition to that, our batsman who imploded at the very thought of spin started to develop some excellent skills and are genuinely great players of slow bowling now.

Jamieson after a heady arrival has not coped well in his opportunities in short form cricket, and has been cursed with injury after injury. There is no way he had earned his spot for this WC. We'll never know, but I'd bet that he would have been cannon-fodder like the rest of the bowlers.

It would have been nice to see Sodhi crack on, but Patel and certainly Wiseman never really had it. Patel is a good player, but his 10 wickets was one of those great days in your cricketing career that people have sometimes.

At the end of a beautiful era, in foreign conditions that are unhelpful to our strengths, I see a potential semi final spot as a real achievement for this nation. There is no need to look for scapegoats in the player or in NZC.

I don't see what NZC could really do to stave off the inevitable trough we should fall into now.

 

[Bay39er]

And for those who think our bowlers are so terribly shitter than the rest;

outside of India's Shami and Bumrah in home conditions name all the bowlers that are having a stellar tournament.

After that name the batsman having stellar tournaments.

He is the list

A couple in front of the two Indians

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-15338

 

[Wrighty]

our 4 5 and 6 batsman never really got amongst them
We needed 430 for the extra score board pressure
Also Jamieson should have played ahead of Sochi
We had a million spinners in the team already and the selection of Sodhi had a “let’s pick him because he has been trying hard in the nets all tour long” ring to it rather than anything to do with either an analysis of the pitch or an analysis of Pakistan who thrive against strong spin bowling
Jamieson plays and gets even one wicket and we probably win
Typical New Zealand over cooking our selections in world cups for decades

 

[jonesy101]

You know there is something amiss with this World Cup when there are arguments for 430 being needed for scoreboard pressure.

 

[Inruin]

our 4 5 and 6 batsman never really got amongst them
We needed 430 for the extra score board pressure
Also Jamieson should have played ahead of Sochi
We had a million spinners in the team already and the selection of Sodhi had a “let’s pick him because he has been trying hard in the nets all tour long” ring to it rather than anything to do with either an analysis of the pitch or an analysis of Pakistan who thrive against strong spin bowling
Jamieson plays and gets even one wicket and we probably win
Typical New Zealand over cooking our selections in world cups for decades

Our 4,5,6 and 7 batsmen scored something like 135 runs off 80 odd deliveries. Strike rate of around 150 -160. Similar or better than Fakhar.

If anything we potentially didn't score quickly enough in the first 30 overs and they bowled better than us.

 

[Makasene]

Boult is still one of the very best bowlers in the world and his bowling has been fine.

I have to disagree on that point.

By his own standards he has been a major dissapointment.

He's not swinging the ball when others are and has barely beaten the bat. Above all he just doesn't look that happy.

As a new ball swing specialist he has had a very poor tournament and it looks as though he knows it

 

[CWC]

I have to disagree on that point.

By his own standards he has been a major dissapointment.

He's not swinging the ball when others are and has barely beaten the bat. Above all he just doesn't look that happy.

As a new ball swing specialist he has had a very poor tournament and it looks as though he knows it

He looked very pissed last night, great game against SA then 2 steps backwards again, the ball was finally swinging bowling second and he had no answers

Looks like our game will be rained out, so now have to cheer for England to beat Pakistan to qualify, what a sad end to our golden gen

On the development discussion, the cricket chat forum kiwis were screaming for Rachin to be developed like Santa in 2019, they didn’t bother till 2021 and luckily he got a shot with Kane injured and clearly stated he‘s gonna be next to Kane, Ross and Crowe by the time he retires, what a beast and NZC almost didn’t take him

 

[Wigan Warrior]

Think you guys should be ok in 4th, but if your RR drops against Sri Lanka there could be trouble. England aren't beating Pakistan. I'm not confident we'll beat Holland.

 

[Makasene]

Think you guys should be ok in 4th, but if your RR drops against Sri Lanka there could be trouble. England aren't beating Pakistan. I'm not confident we'll beat Holland.

Our run rate can't really drop if we win.

If we lose Pak only need a no result or a win to go ahead of us.

Commentary in the game today suggested that is NZ were to only squeak past SL, Pak would need to chase a total in 29 overs as one scenario.

My crude calculations suggest if we were to thrash SL, Pak have pretty much an impossible task.

If we beat SL convincingly Pak will still have a huge task ahead of them.

The forecast for our game is not great. There is a chance the game is washed out in which case we would need Eng to win, or a no result to qualify