Post Match Cowboys v Warriors - [Round 14, 2024]

[Warriorshopeful]

The eye test tells me that too lol. I shouldn't have concerns for a player that had his career halted because of a brain bleed?

Not any more so that any other player, doctors have approved him to return to playing and has been playing almost 3 seasons back. Unless you know better than the docs?
I'd be more worried about Egan with the amount of HIAs he's had.

 

[FormerlyJamesW]

I'd be more worried about Egan with the amount of HIAs he's had.

Hard out.

Dude should be called Chumbawumba. Keeps getting knocked down, keeps getting back up again.

 

[Possum11]

Todd Payton coaching job at the Cowboys is in serious danger

 

[Up the guttz]

Interesting what Webby says about “freeing up TMM” …….I think it was purely game plan that was causing him to be invisible at 6

Warriors face Johnson headache as Martin continues halfback hot streak

The 28-year-old has stood up in the star man’s absence.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[John Nick]

Interesting what Webby says about “freeing up TMM” …….I think it was purely game plan that was causing him to be invisible at 6

Warriors face Johnson headache as Martin continues halfback hot streak

The 28-year-old has stood up in the star man’s absence.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Hopefully this doesn't go backwards when SJ returns

 

[FormerlyJamesW]

Interesting what Webby says about “freeing up TMM” …….I think it was purely game plan that was causing him to be invisible at 6

Warriors face Johnson headache as Martin continues halfback hot streak

The 28-year-old has stood up in the star man’s absence.

www.nzherald.co.nz

We also have a better idea of how TMM can be utilised now.

 

[Wheels 2024]

Sure, the Warriors showed some serious commitment to down the Cowboys but I just finished reading 10 pages of comments about them.

 

[BangBro's (still banging)]

Look. I love SJ.

He's honestly one of my favourite players.

But, every game where we look this cohesive without him really makes me question if he's the right halfback for us.

One on one, he's better than TMM. No doubt.

In Webbys system, however, I just get the vibe that TMM makes better calls.

He absolutely is the right halfback! He will adjust to the way webby is getting this team to go.

 

[sup42]

Not any more so that any other player, doctors have approved him to return to playing and has been playing almost 3 seasons back. Unless you know better than the docs?
I'd be more worried about Egan with the amount of HIAs he's had.

Head injury management in sports is sold as an informed science. The reality is that it is still guess work.

I am not claiming I know more than a Physician, what I am saying is that the body of medicine itself has limits placed on it due to the complexity of the organ involved and the limits of what assessment tools can tell you.

There was a paper in 2021, so a contemporary up to date survey of Neurologists in the management of Sports related structural brain injuries like Te Maire Martin suffered.

The objective of the paper was to review the return to sports management. It is a very short paper, because it turns out there is still no consensus on return to sport meaning their was nothing to build argument upon.

However the finding in itself, that there is no agreement on sports management is profound, and therefore it is a very important paper in of itself.

As it stands the management of an injury like Te Maire Martin's only offers the same advice as you would give someone that suffered the same injury in day to day life....so saying....there is no specific advice on contact sports and returning to play.

The consensus from the survey of Neurologists published in the National Library of medicine is that there is no consensus. The experts surveyed all offered completely different feedback on whether for example they would operate on an injury like a brain bleed, or whether they would say categorically that operating is the last thing you should do.

So the nuts and bolts of the management of these injuries are not even agreed upon - before you even consider that there is no empirical evidence about whether people should be advised to return to sports.

This would be how you get a Neurologist telling TMM originally that he can never play contact sport again, vs likely a different Neurologist telling him years later that he may be ok.

Agreed that Egans repeated head knocks are a worry. The main problem is the lack of understanding of the accumulative effects of multiple head knocks. While we know a lot more now that we did (ala the movie Concussion staring Will Smith).
Equally it is fair to say that someone like TMM should he suffer more head injuries is probably at much higher risk of complications than your average player that suffers their first.

The brain only has so much resilience, it seems to in some people, have a propensity for becoming brittle (figuratively) and at some unknowable point in a series of knocks it goes into a dangerous and irreversible spiral.

This is where the concussion protocols of the NRL come in. They have no idea whether those protocols are adequate in truth. No one does. The research is not there.
What we do know, is that it is a good idea to have arbitrary stand downs in any case, can't do any harm right? and we know that in the broadest terms, resting human tissue after injury is a good idea period.

I would love to sit down with a forum of Neurologists and have them debate these points.

Overall though, you have to say that the protocols we have now make what we used to do look truly dangerous....even though their use of terms like Grade one etc and their mandatory stand downs are purely someone pulling it straight out of their arse and giving it impressive sounding terminology to keep the sponsors and lawyers happy.

The science itself is quite content to use terms like mild, moderate, severe based on an actual tool the Glascow Coma scale (starts off at level normal, obviously scoring based on the name of the scale goes to unresponsive).

But hey, if the NRL want to sound flash with their gradings etc by all means, probably a good idea since saying severe on telly would not be a good look.

So our current system is fictitious gradings and a made up flow chart of what that equals in length of time out of the game, and we accept it because there is nothing out there with science behind it to replace it with.

The funniest part is the NRL head Doctor that watches tackles and goes 'shit yeah that looked bad' the same Doctor, using the same gutometer at a boxing match would call the fight off in the first standing eight count.

 

[Roadrunner]

Well the boys burnt,pillaged and plundered a cowboys outfit.The whole team played their part as well as everyone in the backroom.Onwards and upwards to the Storm for payback time to put alongside the scalp of Penrith and the others beaten so far Aah Sunday never felt so good.

 

[FormerlyJamesW]

Full replay is up on YouTube for those who don't know.

 

[sup42]

Full replay is up on YouTube for those who don't know.

Man that was fast thanks

 

[FormerlyJamesW]

Man that was fast thanks

The bronxs game got uploaded last night, which was annoying..

 

[defensivebomb]

On a side note, I'm sure I wasn't the only one deeply traumatised by "the incident". I keep picturing that football gently bouncing off of Chad Townsend's head... Absolutely horrific. I think it even messed up his hair.

That will haunt my dreams for the rest of my days.

I wonder if there will be a minute of silent remembrance before the game, similar to ANZAC Day, but for every single NRL game from here on in?

 

[The Shah of Iran]

Are we performing better than 2023 so far?

Next week against the Storm will confirm whether that’s the case or not

That's a great question. They remind me a bit of the '03 side vs '02, not as slick as the previous year but a bit more grunt under the hood. Better balanced and a bit scarier with more aggression. More points of attack.

Stats wise we're better in metres gained, completions, possession, kick return & post contact metres. We also concede fewer metres which was a problem last year, especially against bigger sides. Depth is obviously better. I think our goal line defence was better last year but it is improving.

My only concern is we play conservatively most of the time, so if a team is able to limit our territory and metres they go a long way to limiting us. I think we rely on them breaking before we do which probably works 99% of the time, but there'll be that one team every now and then that won't break. I guess it's worked for Penrith, so yeah what do I know

 

[Victor_Radley's_Scrotum]

Brandy has a serious deep seeded issue with our club. It should be studied.

Perhaps it reminds him of that dark time in his life. I don’t know.

But his tone when talking about us - he was so reluctant to give us any praise.

When the Cowboys scored their 2nd try to cut the lead to 24 (LOL) he sounded so jubilant, couldn’t stop harping on about Holmes pass, like you said - was counting down the tries needed to simply draw the game with less than 15mins to go.

Bro was gagging for it.

Who really cares though. They can have whatever agenda they won’t, only thing that matters is how we perform on the night.

Just made me laugh tbh

I think you're right mate regarding him associating the club with a terrible time if his life, somewhat understandable but also quote odd in the sense that, to my understanding, the club did right by him and let him go early when he wanted to return home (some things never change eh)

 

[FormerlyJamesW]

My only concern is we play conservatively most of the time, so if a team is able to limit our territory and metres they go a long way to limiting us. I think we rely on them breaking before we do which probably works 99% of the time, but there'll be that one team every now and then that won't break. I guess it's worked for Penrith, so yeah what do I know

Last night felt a bit different.

20 minutes attack.
20 minutes conservative.
20 minutes conservative
20 minutes attack.

I.e gain a healthy lead, defend until half time. Have a break. Defend until the last 20, attack to finish them off.

The benches seems to reflect this (more defensively strong players playing that mid period)

Thinking back to earlier this season, I wonder if we were attempting, but failing to execute this.

 

[The Shah of Iran]

Qld Morons? Really, Inruin?? Well played

 

[FormerlyJamesW]

Qld Morons? Really, Inruin?? Well played

Had a heart attack in the post forum thread when it autocorrected.

 

[The Shah of Iran]

Hard out.

Dude should be called Chumbawumba. Keeps getting knocked down, keeps getting back up again.

I remember back in the day at Mt Smart every player had a song that would play when they announced the team, that would be perfect for Wado