juju
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The guy who was making jokes about a woman being shot in the head
Having a cry about someone guessing they’re over 40… which they are…
I guess that tells me all i need to know.
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Having a cry about someone guessing they’re over 40… which they are…
I guess that tells me all i need to know.
Reading the words of Billy Bragg this morning, from his F/b page
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It’s becoming increasingly clear that Tяump’s supporters think America was great when women, Blacks, Latinos, gays and commies knew their place. Since the civil rights reforms of the 1960s, liberal democracy has levelled up the playing field, bringing the out-groups in, requiring those at the top of the hierarchy to show respect to those they once looked down on. If you have a zero-sum world view, respect shown to people who aren’t like you feels like a loss for you and your values and, as we’ve been told over and over, many of Tяump’s supporters say the voted for him because they don’t feel they get the respect they deserve.
But earning respect is hard. In order to get people to admire you for your qualities, you have to live up to them, especially in adversity. Much easier then to get respect by making people afraid of you. What ICE is doing in Minneapolis - raiding workplaces, stopping people on the streets to demand papers, harassing people of colour, displaying a bullish sense of immunity - is purely performative. If ICE really wanted to find illegal immigrants, they are more likely to be down at the southern border rather than the northern. The point of deploying ICE in Minneapolis is to strike fear into those who Tяump regime has demonised, forcing them to show respect to the white male heterosexual Christian status quo.
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It’s becoming increasingly clear that Tяump’s supporters think America was great when women, Blacks, Latinos, gays and commies knew their place. Since the civil rights reforms of the 1960s, liberal democracy has levelled up the playing field, bringing the out-groups in, requiring those at the top of the hierarchy to show respect to those they once looked down on. If you have a zero-sum world view, respect shown to people who aren’t like you feels like a loss for you and your values and, as we’ve been told over and over, many of Tяump’s supporters say the voted for him because they don’t feel they get the respect they deserve.
But earning respect is hard. In order to get people to admire you for your qualities, you have to live up to them, especially in adversity. Much easier then to get respect by making people afraid of you. What ICE is doing in Minneapolis - raiding workplaces, stopping people on the streets to demand papers, harassing people of colour, displaying a bullish sense of immunity - is purely performative. If ICE really wanted to find illegal immigrants, they are more likely to be down at the southern border rather than the northern. The point of deploying ICE in Minneapolis is to strike fear into those who Tяump regime has demonised, forcing them to show respect to the white male heterosexual Christian status quo.
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Amongst all the back and forth this is an interesting concept to explore.
If you don’t control your borders, how do you plan social services, school, hospitals, etc if floods of unexpected people can just turn up? How do you ensure security if people of different mindset want to come eg a murder fleeing another country? Do you have to right to stop anyone?
Taking it to the logical conclusion with no lines in a map, do you believe in private ownership of your own property? If a squatter wants to live in your guest bedroom, what is the philosophical difference to an illegal immigrant demanding access to a country? I see the same underlying issues.
I’m not interesting in arguing, I genuinely want to explore this. I see maintaining borders as the only way to plan, protect a way of life and ensure a cohesive society.
Noitall
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View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/cFRA3GCqGTw
It’s no wonder there there’s a lack of trust in the enforcement when you’re about to film footage like this nowadays. Obviously taken by surprise the way the agent comes over to usher her away but really not offering any resistance to justify the knees to the face, and the last one seems like an I’ll do because I can shot
Noitall
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Trump DOJ Files Bonkers Motion to Keep Epstein Files Sealed
The Justice Department claims Representatives Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie’s request for an independent monitor is an overreach.
Looks like this administration wants these files suppressed, why else would there be a need to black out parts released thus far and shut down the over 5 million documents apparently remaining? How easy would it be to simply release them as was said running up to the election and shut all the speculation down
Noitall
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339K views · 24K reactions | DEHUMANISING ! If so.... you are a bastard. | Martin Bella
DEHUMANISING ! If so.... you are a bastard.
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This is the post from Martin Bella I keep banging on about. Interesting that even a right wing voter holds this view and says it’s more about the human being to be so callous
Not having a cry. Merely pointing out that instead of answering the question it turns to being personal. Something you continue to do.
No, I'm actually not.
Noitall
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Just shows that America can in fact do exactly as it pleases in regards to Greenland
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No, it's not a simplistic argument at all.
Do you believe in open borders and should illegal immigrants be ignored?
I keep getting asked for my stance yet I can't seem to get an answer when I ask for theirs.
What's yours?
juju
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No you were getting cooked & had a cry. Standard.
Being this determined to defend such obviously contentious US immigration policy - all the while being from New Zealand... ignoring the utterly indefensible acts of ICE.
Ewww.
All due respect Wiz, this is a bit of a hot mess isn't it? I don't want to presuppose @BabylonPink but I'd suggest they are referring more to the notion of nationhood, nationalism and jingoistic nationalistic identity.
Completely separate from the notion of a Nation, which is where the practicality and rationality of constitution, boundaries, laws etc would clearly sit.
Then you're looking to lead into hard right territory with all this.
No thanks.
Yeah, great words from Marty339K views · 24K reactions | DEHUMANISING ! If so.... you are a bastard. | Martin Bella
DEHUMANISING ! If so.... you are a bastard.
This is the post from Martin Bella I keep banging on about. Interesting that even a right wing voter holds this view and says it’s more about the human being to be so callous
@snake77 sending out the call again - you've made an allegation here about racist posts by left leaning posters.
Please do provide some examples.
Equally, if you can't find any, all good, just let us know.
juju
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You seem to think your question is some amazing mic drop. It's really not.
Conflating "do you believe in open border immigration" while excusing the extremely controversial tactics, ethics, morality of the enforcement & current regime is pretty pretty pretty stupid.
A reasonable human being can want strict immigration but find obverse the question conduct of ICE with their own two eyes.
You're dumb joke was an endorsement & also just highlights pretty clearly your callous nature.
To be this indoctrinated while being a New Zealand is yuck.