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[juju]

Actually no. And I haven't defended anything.

Feel free to answer the question.

You seem to think your question is some amazing mic drop. It's really not.

Conflating "do you believe in open border immigration" while excusing the extremely controversial tactics, ethics, morality of the enforcement & current regime is pretty pretty pretty stupid.
A reasonable human being can want strict immigration but find obverse the question conduct of ICE with their own two eyes.

You're dumb joke was an endorsement & also just highlights pretty clearly your callous nature.
To be this indoctrinated while being a New Zealand is yuck.

 

[Inruin]

You seem to think your question is some amazing mic drop. It's really not.

Conflating "do you believe in open border immigration" while excusing the extremely controversial tactics, ethics, morality of the enforcement & current regime is pretty pretty pretty stupid.
A reasonable human being can want strict immigration but find obverse the question conduct of ICE with their own two eyes.

You're dumb joke was an endorsement & also just highlights pretty clearly your callous nature.
To be this indoctrinated while being a New Zealand is yuck.

So, you agree there needs to be border control and illegal immigrants shouldn't be ignored. Thank you for your answer. We can clear that off the table now.

Why do you think there has been a contrast between states and cities where some have their law enforcement agencies work with ICE and others appear to actively avoid it?

 

[MaybeTop8]

So, you agree there needs to be border control and illegal immigrants shouldn't be ignored. Thank you for your answer. We can clear that off the table now.

Why do you think there has been a contrast between states and cities where some have their law enforcement agencies work with ICE and others appear to actively avoid it?

Kinda boring with your pattern a: Twist and distort b: when you don't get the answer that fits with where you want it to go you make shit up and attribute context/meaning to other posters that simply isn't true c: Ignore any kind of fact and continue on with this path until no one wants to play with you any more d: Claim victory

Kinda similar in a kindergarten way to Trump

 

[Inruin]

Kinda boring with your pattern a: Twist and distort b: when you don't get the answer that fits with where you want it to go you make shit up and attribute context/meaning to other posters that simply isn't true c: Ignore any kind of fact and continue on with this path until no one wants to play with you any more d: Claim victory

Kinda similar in a kindergarten way to Trump

Kinda interesting with your pattern and twist when you don't answer when challenged yet expect everyone else to when you challenge them.

Kinda similar in a kindergarten way....

 

[juju]

So, you agree there needs to be border control and illegal immigrants shouldn't be ignored. Thank you for your answer. We can clear that off the table now.

Why do you think there has been a contrast between states and cities where some have their law enforcement agencies work with ICE and others appear to actively avoid it?

Labouring the point much. You lost this argument 10 pages back.

We're NZers - our view on US immigration policy is utterly, utterly irrelevant. You seem to be really invested in it for some cooker reason.
But... We're also human and can witness and be disturbed by the human toll of it's enforcement.

On you're second point - Gee I don't know... could be that's the partisan nature of the US political set & the US has one of their most (if not) the most controversial governments enacting some the most contentious policy of our lifetime.

Have a break from the internet bud.

 

[Inruin]

Labouring the point much. You lost this argument 10 pages back.

We're NZers - our view on US immigration policy is utterly, utterly irrelevant. You seem to be really invested in it for some cooker reason.
But... We're also human and can witness and be disturbed by the human toll of it's enforcement.

On you're second point - Gee I don't know... could be that's the partisan nature of the US political set & the US has one of their most (if not) the most controversial governments enacting some the most contentious policy of our lifetime.

Have a break from the internet bud.

Could be the partisan nature.

Is the policy that contentious? It doesn't appear to be dissimilar to previous US government policy? Certainly the enforcement of it is different and rightfully questioned.

 

[Bay39er]

They aren't. Happy to be proven wrong if you can provide evidence of no deportations of illegal immigrants from red states.

Using an Inruinism how about you provide some evidence that they are

 

[Inruin]

Using an Inruinism how about you provide some evidence that they are

A few pages back you were going on about making statements, providing proof to back it up and comic book reading.

Texas is a red state and from what I've read plenty have been deported from there.

ICE Houston deports 174 criminal aliens to Mexico in 2 weeks who account for 610 criminal convictions as a group

Many of the criminal aliens removed to Mexico during the two-week period have illegally entered the U.S. numerous times and been convicted of multiple criminal offenses.

www.ice.gov

The focus certainly seems to have shifted to some of the Democrat led states now though

 

[Bay39er]

A few pages back you were going on about making statements, providing proof to back it up and comic book reading.

Texas is a red state and from what I've read plenty have been deported from there.

ICE Houston deports 174 criminal aliens to Mexico in 2 weeks who account for 610 criminal convictions as a group

Many of the criminal aliens removed to Mexico during the two-week period have illegally entered the U.S. numerous times and been convicted of multiple criminal offenses.

www.ice.gov

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The focus certainly seems to have shifted to some of the Democrat led states now though

Well done - one would expect them to be active in the state that abuts the border (low hanging fruit and all that) but that is only one red state. Give us some data on other red states

Give us some

 

[Matiunz]

Amongst all the back and forth this is an interesting concept to explore.

If you don’t control your borders, how do you plan social services, school, hospitals, etc if floods of unexpected people can just turn up? How do you ensure security if people of different mindset want to come eg a murder fleeing another country? Do you have to right to stop anyone?

Taking it to the logical conclusion with no lines in a map, do you believe in private ownership of your own property? If a squatter wants to live in your guest bedroom, what is the philosophical difference to an illegal immigrant demanding access to a country? I see the same underlying issues.

I’m not interesting in arguing, I genuinely want to explore this. I see maintaining borders as the only way to plan, protect a way of life and ensure a cohesive society.

Also find it interesting that western countries tend to be held to a different standard when allowing immigration. Countries such as Japan, China,UAE etc have much stricter and much more nationalistic views when it comes to who they let in but are seemingly not held to the same scrutiny.
I’m not against immigration but there are correct channels to go through, as someone who has gone through the correct channels personally I have little sympathy for those that feel entitled to ignore the process.