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I find this amazing…. a politician who is actually not giving the government all the credit for a reduction is the crime figures…. how refreshing!!!

ANALYSIS: The dramatic fall in victims of violent crime, and the impact of the Government’s ‘vibe’ rather than its policies​

It’s a general rule of politics that governments claim credit when things are going well, and blame others (especially the previous Government) when they don’t.

But Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith was curiously cautious in an interview with the Herald last week, when he was talking up the Government’s success in restoring law and order.

Asked about factors independent of the Government’s agenda, he said: “We’re definitely contributing to it in the effort that we’re making, but I’m not so arrogant to think that the world revolves around what happens in the Beehive. There are broader factors.”

The drop in serious youth offending since the middle of last year, for example, started before many of the Government’s key policies to tackle youth crime were implemented. Youth advocates speculate that the number of serious repeat youth offenders spiked following the increased isolation and stress of the Covid pandemic, and has started reverting to the downward pre-pandemic trend.

A downward pre-pandemic trend was also apparent in general crime statistics, so reversion to this might also be a factor in the 28,000 fewer adult victims of violent crime in the year to February, compared to the year to October 2023.

This is understandably a success the Government is keen to highlight; it smashes the public service target of 20,000 fewer such victims by 2029.

Announcing it yesterday, Police Minister Mark Mitchell acknowledged the work of Corrections and police (noting a 40% increase in police foot patrolling), but also paid tribute to wider efforts including from ethnic communities and the general public.

Goldsmith didn’t mention broader factors. He said it showed “our work to restore law and order is paying off”, citing anti-gang legislation, the return of Three Strikes, limiting sentencing discounts, and scrapping state funding for cultural reports.

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon added that the new tools for police to fight gangs were already “unearthing illegal guns and illegal drugs”.

This was meant to be enabled through police searching the private homes of gang members under a gang patch prohibition order.

Trouble is, no such orders have been issued.

Then there’s Three strikes 2.0, which doesn’t commence until mid-June.

And the Government’s sentencing reforms don’t start until the end of June.

‘Vibe is important’​

No state funding for cultural reports, however, has been in place since March last year. The reports led to an average of a 10% sentencing discount, according to Justice Ministry analysis.

It’s possible - though seems unlikely - that this has played a major role in dramatically lowering the number of victims of violent crime in less than a year.

There’d need to be a significant number of violent offenders serving longer prison sentences due to an inability to fund cultural reports. And those longer sentences would need to have prevented enough violent offending to filter through to the number of victims.

Goldsmith seemed to acknowledge this unlikelihood last week, when he told the Herald that the message was as important as the actual policy.

“It was a signal: rather than this culture of excuses about why you do things, actually, people have to be held personally responsible.”

He was responding to a Herald article about changes made in 2016 by the previous National-led Government, which provided stronger safeguards for community sentences. This led to the shorter and fewer prison sentences Goldsmith was blaming Labour for.

“It’s one of the contributing factors,” Goldsmith conceded.

“I think by far a very significant contributing factor is the shift in Government direction right across the whole board, which was [under Labour], we want fewer people in prison, and lo and behold there were fewer people in prison.

“Vibe is important. It filters its way through. We changed the message.”

Asked about this, former District Court Judge David Harvey said he never felt any vibe from the Labour Government telling him to be more lenient in his sentencing.

“I don’t think any judge would consciously think, ‘Oh, the Government has said we’ve got to reduce prison numbers. Therefore, I’m not going to sentence this guy to jail.’

“You deal with the case that’s before you on the basis of the law. You don’t deal with it on the basis of some mysterious vibe that’s come from Wellington,” said Harvey, who retired in 2016 but returned to the bench under an acting warrant from 2018 to 2021.

Nor was it something that could be measured, he added.

“There isn’t a vibe-o-meter at the door of the judge’s chambers that detects the message from the politicians, and influences accordingly.

“It’s probably nice to think that judges take some notice of what politicians say, but no, the oath is to do right to all men according to the laws and usages of New Zealand, and that’s what you do.”

What the data says​

This doesn’t necessarily mean the Government’s policies - or its vibe - have had little or no impact on reducing crime.

And it appears to be reducing.

The number of victims of violent crime dropped from a peak of 215,000 in the year to June 2024 to 157,000 for the year to February 2025 - a 27% fall. There were 12,000 fewer victims in Auckland, while in Canterbury there were 5000 fewer victims.

These statistics are from the NZ Crime and Victims Survey, which is considered more robust because it includes the vast majority of crime that goes unreported.


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But there are also downward trends in police victimisation data - a report of a crime to police, regardless of whether it leads to any charges.

The number of police victimisation reports dropped in 2024 for “acts intended to cause injury” (which covers assault and serious assault), and for aggravated robbery.

This followed year-on-year increases in both categories, which led to an increasing number of annual charges and convictions in court.

Luxon yesterday also mentioned a drop in ram raids, though he didn’t mention that these peaked in mid-2022, well before he took office.

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In his statement yesterday, at least Goldsmith acknowledged that the numbers are inherently volatile.

But he couldn’t resist the general rule in politics, suggesting any future rise in the number of victims would be Labour’s fault.

“It’s important to remember this survey covers a 24-month period, so we will continue to see the results of Labour’s soft-on-crime approach filter through at points.”

As any teacher or parent knows, the threat of consequences has as much impact as an actual punishment.

Pity the Greens don’t understand this, luckily for us, our government does!

Labour were the ideal party with a soft approach during the initial stages of covid, National is the strict parent that’s getting everything back on track again.
 

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Te Pāti Māori says Māori should receive New Zealand Superannuation seven to 10 years before everyone else at age 55-57.

Looks like their policy for the next election.

How do we sign up to the local iwi? My adopted great grandparent must somehow make me entitled?
So straight after the Treaty Principles Bill they announce that there should be different rules for māori versus the rest of the population?
 
I’d be in favour of no super whatsoever, but a govt-facilitated tax deduction that goes towards your own personal super, that they invest into funds and manage. You get to choose when you would like to start drawing down. Once it’s gone, it’s gone

Similar to KiwiSaver, but you get to choose the age that you can start withdrawing. Anything left goes to your estate. Any shortfalls - well, you plan for this and structure accordingly
 
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i don’t see how he could possibly be any worse than what we have now.

i can tell you though, one of those eggs that keep glueing themselves to the road down here is married to his twin sister.

for whatever that’s worth.
It's an improvement I guess.

Also interesting to see Golriz's comments. They aren't targeting the Wellington seat because she's Green it's because the Wellington council is a disaster. And Wayne Brown has improved things in Auckland over the previous left leaning Mayor. She isn't based in reality it seems
 
On that Te Pāti Māori policy. When this has been brought up in the past it is due to life expectancy and wanting to get money they would have got for retirement.

If you retire at 65 and die at 70 there isn't any payout for the money you would have got for 71-85.

They have this backwards. They should be looking at improving life expectancy. Focus on health initiatives.
 
Te Pāti Māori says Māori should receive New Zealand Superannuation seven to 10 years before everyone else at age 55-57.

Looks like their policy for the next election.

How do we sign up to the local iwi? My adopted great grandparent must somehow make me entitled?
I think it's already happened but including for white guys..... I'm not even 60 but yesterday was asked if I had a Gold Card when shopping at New World.
 
On that Te Pāti Māori policy. When this has been brought up in the past it is due to life expectancy and wanting to get money they would have got for retirement.

If you retire at 65 and die at 70 there isn't any payout for the money you would have got for 71-85.

They have this backwards. They should be looking at improving life expectancy. Focus on health initiatives.
So based on life expectancy, Asians (who live even longer) have to retire even later? Maybe a list based on race that determines how long your race lives and bases retirement age on that?

And why stop there, men should retire earlier than woman? People with life shortening illnesses (eg diabetes) should retire earlier? People with physical jobs that stuff their body, retire earlier?

Seymour was right all along!
 
So based on life expectancy, Asians (who live even longer) have to retire even later? Maybe a list based on race that determines how long your race lives and bases retirement age on that?

And why stop there, men should retire earlier than woman? People with life shortening illnesses (eg diabetes) should retire earlier? People with physical jobs that stuff their body, retire earlier?
Exactly it's stupid, which is why it shouldn't get any air time.

I wish TPM would stop shooting themselves in the foot with these ridiculous policies.
 
    Nobody is reading this thread right now.
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