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When you see damage, don’t you try and fix it? You can keep those plasterers if my damaged walls aren’t a big problem, I want them fixed. The next touted pandemic is supposedly going to originate from a bird flu so we’ll have to wait and see if it’s going to be a big problem or not? The last one changed the world in my view and we seem no more prepared so hopefully the next one is the non event you’re alluding to
Since 2000 there have been 83 Pandemic / epidemic outbreaks around the world. Most get contained locally but you still have big ones like MERS, Ebola, Zeka virus, SARS, Swine flu and of course covid 19 that go worldwide.

So Bloomfield is right we will get more global pandemics but that’s life. Be vigilant but when a virologist says there will be another pandemic in 5 years, he’s an expert seeing this stuff everywhere, everyday whereas Joe Public only has to worry about the uncontrolled, novel stuff.

Are we more prepared? I honestly don’t think you can be 100% prepared. Every pandemic will be different with unique choices and responses. Hopefully our health system has leant and adapted but in league terms you need a good game plan but play eyes up footy.
 

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Since 2000 there have been 83 Pandemic / epidemic outbreaks around the world. Most get contained locally but you still have big ones like MERS, Ebola, Zeka virus, SARS, Swine flu and of course covid 19 that go worldwide.

So Bloomfield is right we will get more global pandemics but that’s life. Be vigilant but when a virologist says there will be another pandemic in 5 years, he’s an expert seeing this stuff everywhere, everyday whereas Joe Public only has to worry about the uncontrolled, novel stuff.

Are we more prepared? I honestly don’t think you can be 100% prepared. Every pandemic will be different with unique choices and responses. Hopefully our health system has leant and adapted but in league terms you need a good game plan but play eyes up footy.
As much as those other pandemic/ epidemics were large, they were generally contained much more effectively than covid was and there’s really no comparison in what it has done in many areas of life. Concerning too is that as time goes on it sounds increasingly like it was a man made virus that escaped a lab. If such incompetency exists, more should be asked about exactly what sort of development of viruses is being worked on behind closed doors, and whether it’s actually a good idea to be manufacturing viruses if something like covid is the outcome. No investigation or inquiry was ever allowed to be conducted which beggars belief. There’s no way we can be any more prepared because we still don’t have a clear picture of how it came to be. Since we’re continuing with these analogies, in league you can’t move forward without acknowledging what lost you the last game and taking learnings from it
 
Since we’re continuing with these analogies, in league you can’t move forward without acknowledging what lost you the last game and taking learnings from it
Good points.

Who’s a Cleary in pandemic terms? Just find them and set them up in an office planning for the next big one.

Guaranteed win!
 
As much as those other pandemic/ epidemics were large, they were generally contained much more effectively than covid was and there’s really no comparison in what it has done in many areas of life.
Was Bloomfield predicting another covid type pandemic in 5 years or a smaller one that we will contain but need to be weary about?

Covid was a once in 100 years global event that I hope doesn’t happen again in my lifetime.
 
Was Bloomfield predicting another covid type pandemic in 5 years or a smaller one that we will contain but need to be weary about?

Covid was a once in 100 years global event that I hope doesn’t happen again in my lifetime.
Not too sure, but lack of preparation wasn’t ideal last time so being ready for a worst case scenario is possibly necessary? Hard to say what a worst case scenario would be though? Human extinction I guess? And how do you prepare for that? You’re right to some degree that you just need to truck on in the sense of us being civilians, but would be good to know the smartest people in their field have some sort of plan
 
I'm sure Mike12 would have some thoughts on Parker's attempt to clean up the RMA
Seriously, there’s a lot to like about the changes and to give credit, Labour proposed SOME of the changes as well. Seems to hit at the worst issues currently.

If Labour lovers want to complain about National ignoring them, you only have to go back to Covid when Labour completely shut the opposition out of what should have been a collaborative response, or at least consulting over serious changes. National was very vocal about this at the time and now lefties don’t like political utu?
 
Seriously, there’s a lot to like about the changes and to give credit, Labour proposed SOME of the changes as well. Seems to hit at the worst issues currently.

If Labour lovers want to complain about National ignoring them, you only have to go back to Covid when Labour completely shut the opposition out of what should have been a collaborative response, or at least consulting over serious changes. National was very vocal about this at the time and now lefties don’t like political utu?
Citations from factual sources please - "when Labour completely shut the opposition out of what should have been a collaborative response, or at least consulting over serious changes"
 
Not too sure, but lack of preparation wasn’t ideal last time so being ready for a worst case scenario is possibly necessary? Hard to say what a worst case scenario would be though? Human extinction I guess? And how do you prepare for that? You’re right to some degree that you just need to truck on in the sense of us being civilians, but would be good to know the smartest people in their field have some sort of plan
Not sure we can do much about an extinction event, but my main takeaway from the report is we need to pump billions into the health system so it doesn't get overwhelmed in pandemics and we don't need protracted lockdowns.
 
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The free speech union, basically the far right and ACT pushing their far right Atlas agenda through direct interference -

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The Free Speech Union has confirmed it initially encouraged billionaire Jim Grenon’s investment in the NZME media group.

Grenon, a Canadian-born private equity investor, plans to clean out the board and set a new direction for the company, which owns the New Zealand Herald and about half the country’s commercial radio stations.

Jonathan Ayling, chief executive of the Free Speech Union, confirmed it was the campaign group that first suggested he become an investor.

It followed the FSU’s public criticism of NZME, Allied Press and the Stuff Group (which publishes The Post) for not running advertisements from right wing lobby group Hobson’s Pledge, anti-vaxxers Voices for Freedom and conservative Christian advocates Family First.

“It was an initial conversation with with one of our supporters that followed in a long line of conversations with supporters around this issue,” Ayling said, confirming that supporter was Grenon.

The FSU began taking a interest in the advertorial and editorial policy NZME was running about two years ago, he said.

“We had an ongoing engagement with Michael Boggs, the [NZME] CEO, and at the 2023 AGM, we managed to move some motions around the way that they were rejecting ads.

“And we have worked with some relatively large shareholders who were concerned that individuals who were presenting otherwise legal but unorthodox views were not having their ads accepted.”

The Herald last year faced public backlash following the publication of a wraparound front-page ad that urged readers to sign a petition to return the seabed and foreshore to “public ownership”.

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A public letter signed by more than 170 academics and lawyers said the claims made in the ad were “misleading and inaccurate.” The Advertising Standards Complaints Board later ruled it breached the Advertising Standards Code.

Feedback from readers saw the media company pull a second ad, which prompted fierce criticism from the FSU.

More than 1000 of its supporters emailed NZME after it refused to run a Family First “What is a woman?” campaign in 2023.


Grenon has told NZME that he expects to secure “overwhelming” support from shareholders to replace its board at the company’s annual meeting on April 29.
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Grenon had taken an interest in media, Ayling said, “so it was an obvious next step for him”.

“We were keen to encourage [that]. That's exactly what we do, we encourage those who share our concerns about the state of free speech and the plurality of voices in the Fourth Estate to take an active role on that.

“That's the extent to which we participated. Our conversations with Jim were significant in encouraging him to take the very significant stance that he did. But, obviously, it was him going, ‘Oh, I guess there's an opportunity here’.”

Ayling said FSU would continue to encourage that diverse voices are heard in other areas of society.

“We’ve always encouraged our supporters to buy shares, and it's consistent with the way we engage over a host of institutions.” This included professional membership councils for universities, the public service, lawyers, teachers, and healthcare, he said.

“We've got eight professional memberships in place that have identified eight key sectors of society that we think really need investment ...[and] the individuals that we have there to say that we need to reinvigorate a cultural response here, where everyday Kiwis feel like they have a buy-in.”

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Grenon was contacted for comment.

E tū negotiation specialist Michael Wood said the union was concerned about “undue” influence from Grenon, who spent $9 million on a 9.3% stake the in publicly-listed company.

“Confirmation that a highly political lobby group like the FSU has played a role in organising the attempted board takeover at NZME, makes it clear that this effort is not really about improving the commercial performance of the company as shareholders have been advised,” he said.

“Instead it appears to be an orchestrated attempt by people with very strong views on a range of public policy issues to take control of one of New Zealand’s largest media outlets.”

Wood called on Grenon and his shareholding supporters “to open up about who has been involved, and what their real intentions are.”

Wood added: “New Zealanders who rely on the editorial independence of a free and open press deserve to know, and shareholders who have been told that it’s all about earning a better return also deserve clarity.”

He said the FSU should also come out in “strong support” of of editorial independence and to convince Grenon to make the same commitment.

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