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John Nick said:
I don't have the flu injection
Last time about 10 years ago I was very ill.
Same as my old man.
I am lucky enough to work from home and haven't had the flu for quite some time
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First flu jab I had I got sick as hell, worst flu ever. I'll never know if it was the jab or a coincidence catching it at the same time, hasn't happened since though.
 

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Noitall said:
When you see damage, don’t you try and fix it? You can keep those plasterers if my damaged walls aren’t a big problem, I want them fixed. The next touted pandemic is supposedly going to originate from a bird flu so we’ll have to wait and see if it’s going to be a big problem or not? The last one changed the world in my view and we seem no more prepared so hopefully the next one is the non event you’re alluding to
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Since 2000 there have been 83 Pandemic / epidemic outbreaks around the world. Most get contained locally but you still have big ones like MERS, Ebola, Zeka virus, SARS, Swine flu and of course covid 19 that go worldwide.

So Bloomfield is right we will get more global pandemics but that’s life. Be vigilant but when a virologist says there will be another pandemic in 5 years, he’s an expert seeing this stuff everywhere, everyday whereas Joe Public only has to worry about the uncontrolled, novel stuff.

Are we more prepared? I honestly don’t think you can be 100% prepared. Every pandemic will be different with unique choices and responses. Hopefully our health system has leant and adapted but in league terms you need a good game plan but play eyes up footy.
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Since 2000 there have been 83 Pandemic / epidemic outbreaks around the world. Most get contained locally but you still have big ones like MERS, Ebola, Zeka virus, SARS, Swine flu and of course covid 19 that go worldwide.

So Bloomfield is right we will get more global pandemics but that’s life. Be vigilant but when a virologist says there will be another pandemic in 5 years, he’s an expert seeing this stuff everywhere, everyday whereas Joe Public only has to worry about the uncontrolled, novel stuff.

Are we more prepared? I honestly don’t think you can be 100% prepared. Every pandemic will be different with unique choices and responses. Hopefully our health system has leant and adapted but in league terms you need a good game plan but play eyes up footy.
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As much as those other pandemic/ epidemics were large, they were generally contained much more effectively than covid was and there’s really no comparison in what it has done in many areas of life. Concerning too is that as time goes on it sounds increasingly like it was a man made virus that escaped a lab. If such incompetency exists, more should be asked about exactly what sort of development of viruses is being worked on behind closed doors, and whether it’s actually a good idea to be manufacturing viruses if something like covid is the outcome. No investigation or inquiry was ever allowed to be conducted which beggars belief. There’s no way we can be any more prepared because we still don’t have a clear picture of how it came to be. Since we’re continuing with these analogies, in league you can’t move forward without acknowledging what lost you the last game and taking learnings from it
 
Noitall said:
Since we’re continuing with these analogies, in league you can’t move forward without acknowledging what lost you the last game and taking learnings from it
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Good points.

Who’s a Cleary in pandemic terms? Just find them and set them up in an office planning for the next big one.

Guaranteed win!
 
Noitall said:
As much as those other pandemic/ epidemics were large, they were generally contained much more effectively than covid was and there’s really no comparison in what it has done in many areas of life.
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Was Bloomfield predicting another covid type pandemic in 5 years or a smaller one that we will contain but need to be weary about?

Covid was a once in 100 years global event that I hope doesn’t happen again in my lifetime.
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Was Bloomfield predicting another covid type pandemic in 5 years or a smaller one that we will contain but need to be weary about?

Covid was a once in 100 years global event that I hope doesn’t happen again in my lifetime.
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Not too sure, but lack of preparation wasn’t ideal last time so being ready for a worst case scenario is possibly necessary? Hard to say what a worst case scenario would be though? Human extinction I guess? And how do you prepare for that? You’re right to some degree that you just need to truck on in the sense of us being civilians, but would be good to know the smartest people in their field have some sort of plan
 
Rick O’Shay said:
I'm sure Mike12 would have some thoughts on Parker's attempt to clean up the RMA
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Seriously, there’s a lot to like about the changes and to give credit, Labour proposed SOME of the changes as well. Seems to hit at the worst issues currently.

If Labour lovers want to complain about National ignoring them, you only have to go back to Covid when Labour completely shut the opposition out of what should have been a collaborative response, or at least consulting over serious changes. National was very vocal about this at the time and now lefties don’t like political utu?
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Seriously, there’s a lot to like about the changes and to give credit, Labour proposed SOME of the changes as well. Seems to hit at the worst issues currently.

If Labour lovers want to complain about National ignoring them, you only have to go back to Covid when Labour completely shut the opposition out of what should have been a collaborative response, or at least consulting over serious changes. National was very vocal about this at the time and now lefties don’t like political utu?
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Citations from factual sources please - "when Labour completely shut the opposition out of what should have been a collaborative response, or at least consulting over serious changes"
 
Noitall said:
Not too sure, but lack of preparation wasn’t ideal last time so being ready for a worst case scenario is possibly necessary? Hard to say what a worst case scenario would be though? Human extinction I guess? And how do you prepare for that? You’re right to some degree that you just need to truck on in the sense of us being civilians, but would be good to know the smartest people in their field have some sort of plan
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Not sure we can do much about an extinction event, but my main takeaway from the report is we need to pump billions into the health system so it doesn't get overwhelmed in pandemics and we don't need protracted lockdowns.
 
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