Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[wizard of Tauranga]

Weren't the Wall St bailouts an act of central planning to prevent the capitalist system from collapsing? The whole house of cards is a throne of lies.

I don’t believe in unbridled capitalism. There must be checks and balances. I don’t believe health and education can be privatised for the masses. We must have police and authorities to curb excess.

Are you saying some people are more equal than others?

Everyone has equal opportunity (almost) but outcomes are dependant on what we as individuals achieve.

 

[Worried2Death]

I don’t believe in unbridled capitalism. There must be checks and balances. I don’t believe health and education can be privatised for the masses. We must have police and authorities to curb excess.

Everyone has equal opportunity (almost) but outcomes are dependant on what we as individuals achieve.

If everyone has equal opportunities why is there a border crisis in the US, why aren't they staying home enjoying their equal opportunities

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

If everyone has equal opportunities why is there a border crisis in the US

The USA is the most purely capitalist country in the world and the richest big country.

The Mexicans have political instability and corruption.

If the Mexicans got Trump in charge they could have the same opportunities

 

[Worried2Death]

The USA is the most purely capitalist country in the world and the richest big country.

The Mexicans have political instability and corruption.

If the Mexicans got Trump in charge they could have the same opportunities

Wonder if he'd settle for United States of Mexico?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

If everyone has equal opportunities why is there a border crisis in the US, why aren't they staying home enjoying their equal opportunities

1/2 of the border crisis is foreign interference. Venezuela, Cuba, and the cartels have been running programs for years.

Human trafficking is nearly equal to drug trafficking.

 

[defensivebomb]

One of the worst legacies that Ardern, Robertson and Hipkins has left us with is an entitlement mentality

NZers all want nice shiny things, but want other people to pay for them

Light Rail
Ferries
Dunedin Hospital
Better roads

The list goes on

The “tax cuts” aren’t tax cuts. They are the reinstatement of deductibility of expenses, to be in line with other businesses. This doesn’t cost you or me or the government anything. You aren’t paying for them

If you are unhappy that National is now telling you that you no longer get to have these shiny things that some people don’t want to pay for, then:

1. reassess how they are funded (eg privatisation) or
2. reassess whether you still want them

Seriously man, the entitlement that people feel for other peoples’ money is staggering

I’m not a landlord. But I don’t expect them to fund things that I want

 

[MaybeTop8]

One of the worst legacies that Ardern, Robertson and Hipkins has left us with is an entitlement mentality

NZers all want nice shiny things, but want other people to pay for them

Light Rail
Ferries
Dunedin Hospital
Better roads

The list goes on

The “tax cuts” aren’t tax cuts. They are the reinstatement of deductibility of expenses, to be in line with other businesses. This doesn’t cost you or me or the government anything. You aren’t paying for them

If you are unhappy that National is now telling you that you no longer get to have these shiny things that some people don’t want to pay for, then:

1. reassess how they are funded (eg privatisation) or
2. reassess whether you still want them

Seriously man, the entitlement that people feel for other peoples’ money is staggering

I’m not a landlord. But I don’t expect them to fund things that I want

Hard right viewpoint here. Speaking of entitlement your entire comment reads like parody. Hopefully it is

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Hard right viewpoint here. Speaking of entitlement your entire comment reads like parody. Hopefully it is

A govt running a huge deficit and you want more is gross entitlement mate.

Those that can’t understand living within our means need to move to Greece.

 

[juju]

One of the worst legacies that Ardern, Robertson and Hipkins has left us with is an entitlement mentality

NZers all want nice shiny things, but want other people to pay for them

Light Rail
Ferries
Dunedin Hospital
Better roads

The list goes on

The “tax cuts” aren’t tax cuts. They are the reinstatement of deductibility of expenses, to be in line with other businesses. This doesn’t cost you or me or the government anything. You aren’t paying for them

If you are unhappy that National is now telling you that you no longer get to have these shiny things that some people don’t want to pay for, then:

1. reassess how they are funded (eg privatisation) or
2. reassess whether you still want them

Seriously man, the entitlement that people feel for other peoples’ money is staggering

I’m not a landlord. But I don’t expect them to fund things that I want

Aren't you too young to do a boomer rant like this

Duh the interest deductibility topic was more about cooling the housing market then tax take

If we're talking entitlement - entitlement is what the housing and smoking lobby sector have towards the current government.
Donate and get what ever policy you want in.

 

[MaybeTop8]

A govt running a huge deficit and you want more is gross entitlement mate.

Those that can’t understand living within our means need to move to Greece.

Speaking of hard right

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Speaking of hard right

Not wanting to bankrupt ourselves is hard right?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Not wanting to bankrupt ourselves is hard right?

Go back to school mate

I forgot to mention entitled too. I'm sure the rest of the forum act supporters will be along shortly

 

[juju]

Speaking of hard right

Careful now - soon they'll be yelling hysterically at you that YOU'RE the one in an echo chamber.

 

[miket12]

Careful now - soon they'll be yelling hysterically at you that YOU'RE the one in an echo chamber.

The voice of experience?

 

[defensivebomb]

Ok….

So how to pay for this long laundry list of things that people want the government to implement?

Bear in mind that the country isn’t flush with money

 

[miket12]

Ok….

So how to pay for this long laundry list of things that people want the government to implement?

Bear in mind that the country isn’t flush with money

By cutting back the wasteful (but not at the expense of the primary support mechanisms and services) and bringing in more money through an inheritance tax and reinstating gift duty to reduce the generational transfer of wealth.

I personally don't think that Government's should stack further debt on future generations through excessive borrowing or printing money for projects.

 

[defensivebomb]

Aren't you too young to do a boomer rant like this

Haha. Just getting tired of hearing people expecting high levels of service but wanting others to pay for it

Duh the interest deductibility topic was more about cooling the housing market then tax take

that’s how Jacinda sold it.

If you believe that’s truly the case, then now the housing market is cooled, why is there a problem in restoring deductibility?

If we're talking entitlement - entitlement is what the housing and smoking lobby sector have towards the current government.

Agreed on the smoking lobby

I don’t know who the “housing lobby” is. Presumably you are referring to the NZers that own investment properties? They lobbied the government with their voting rights

 

[juju]

I don’t know who the “housing lobby” is. Presumably you are referring to the NZers that own investment properties? They lobbied the government with their voting rights

No - the real estate companies that donate to and hire ex National Party ministers.

 

[defensivebomb]

By cutting back the wasteful (but not at the expense of the primary support mechanisms and services)

Which is what the govt is trying to achieve, but Grant borrowed and spent it all

and bringing in more money through an inheritance tax and reinstating gift duty to reduce the generational transfer of wealth.

A nation of grasshoppers

I personally don't think that Government's should stack further debt on future generations through excessive borrowing or printing money for projects.

 

[defensivebomb]

No - the real estate companies that donate to and hire ex National Party ministers.

Yeah, ok, so like Bayleys. I just don’t see that being the case. The reason being, a donation here and there to what, restore interest deductibility (on existing rental properties that are funded by debt), so that the Bayleys family can gain from:
Their rentals and/or
Marginally increased property sales prices and commissions

Seems like a lot of donating to try to get a return

Smoking lobby - that’s a clear group with a clear gain. The big winners of the tax changes aren’t agencies. It’s the landlords themselves