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[Inruin]

wrong as usual.
you don’t even read the shit you post.

“The plan to sell the airport shares had already been agreed in the council’s long term plan.”

in all honesty, i don’t know anyone here in wellington that isn’t excited to see the back of mayor whanau. not only is she a terrible mayor. she’s a vile human.

The Post

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“Right-leaning councillors typically in favour of asset sales fear the council will “squander” the money, and their left leaning anti-privatisation counterparts are turning their backs on their ideology.

Meanwhile, mayor Tory Whanau, a Green, has championed the sale.”



CORRUPTION!
NEOLIBRALISM!
ETC!!!

Does it say anywhere that the Government wants to sell Wellington Airport Shares?

The government is rightfully concerned with an inept mayor with a drinking problem.

The right leaning councillors are justifiably concerned about any money raised being squandered. We have just come through a period of mismanaged left aligned spending that was squandered.

 

[MaybeTop8]

wrong as usual.
you don’t even read the shit you post.

“The plan to sell the airport shares had already been agreed in the council’s long term plan.”

in all honesty, i don’t know anyone here in wellington that isn’t excited to see the back of mayor whanau. not only is she a terrible mayor. she’s a vile human.

The Post

www.thepost.co.nz

“Right-leaning councillors typically in favour of asset sales fear the council will “squander” the money, and their left leaning anti-privatisation counterparts are turning their backs on their ideology.

Meanwhile, mayor Tory Whanau, a Green, has championed the sale.”



CORRUPTION!
NEOLIBRALISM!
ETC!!!

Well, fair marv, as JuJu kindly mentioned a wee while ago, I wasn't wrong about the privatisation during this term of this far right ideological neoliberal government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich.

When you see comments like we're seeing now, it's following the same pattern. Manufacture a crisis, soften up the media and public, lo and behold your mates have made a massive profit and new zealand is fucked and sold off.

But Luxon's wealthy and sorted, he's okay.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Well, fair marv, as JuJu kindly mentioned a wee while ago, I wasn't wrong about the privatisation during this term of this far right ideological neoliberal government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich.

When you see comments like we're seeing now, it's following the same pattern. Manufacture a crisis, soften up the media and public, lo and behold your mates have made a massive profit and new zealand is fucked and sold off.

But Luxon's wealthy and sorted, he's okay.

Hope customs is privatised.

Bunch of drongos without a care how long it takes; how inconvenienced and an inability to showing any compassion. Sick of 30-45 minute queues to get back in the country with only a couple of booths open and them all hanging round playing with the dogs.

Never forgiven that customs dog for picking up an apple our kids had and costing me $400. Customs should have made my kids pay it

Can they sack those dogs as well?

Closing them down will be satisfying

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Well, fair marv, as JuJu kindly mentioned a wee while ago, I wasn't wrong about the privatisation during this term of this far right ideological neoliberal government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich.

When you see comments like we're seeing now, it's following the same pattern. Manufacture a crisis, soften up the media and public, lo and behold your mates have made a massive profit and new zealand is fucked and sold off.

But Luxon's wealthy and sorted, he's okay.

Can you run through your theory of how this government has manufactured a crisis?

 

[defensivebomb]

Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think the govt should step into the Wellington council governance. If Wellington has voted in a bunch of muppets, democracy should prevail, despite the repercussions (sorry @marv.)

My criticism of the last government was that they stuck their beak into everything. This government shouldn’t do the same

 

[MaybeTop8]

Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think the govt should step into the Wellington council governance. If Wellington has voted in a bunch of muppets, democracy should prevail, despite the repercussions (sorry @marv.)

My criticism of the last government was that they stuck their beak into everything. This government shouldn’t do the same

not unpopular with me. I get lectured on the democratic process regularly here, those same people should want to defend wellington council from the authoritarian ravages

 

[MaybeTop8]

Can you run through your theory of how this government has manufactured a crisis?

Well, for one they've slashed funding everywhere and pretty much guaranteed that a number of areas will and are failing. Health is an obvious example.

Look back at the last 50 years. It's all right there.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Well, for one they've slashed funding everywhere and pretty much guaranteed that a number of areas will and are failing. Health is an obvious example.

Look back at the last 50 years. It's all right there.

Underinvestment in health pre-dates the current government by decades.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The coalition wants to sell Wellington Airport - they are of the rich, by the rich, for the rich

Stuff

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Govt shouldnt be owning such a polluting asset should they?

 

[Inruin]

Underinvestment in health pre-dates the current government by decades.

Definitely been a long term issue. If you look at our debt to GDP I can't help but feel the last 6 years have really exacerbated the situation. Not just with health but other infrastructure as well.

2017, 18 and 19 our debt to GDP dropped significantly suggesting a focus on reducing debt rather than improving infrastructure. Following that a large amount of borrowing, driven by the COVID pandemic initially but continued on with spending that delivered very little other than an over inflated economy

 

[Inruin]

One year on: The coalition Government biggest winners and losers so far

This week marks one year since Election 2023.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Rizzah]

Definitely been a long term issue. If you look at our debt to GDP I can't help but feel the last 6 years have really exacerbated the situation. Not just with health but other infrastructure as well.

2017, 18 and 19 our debt to GDP dropped significantly suggesting a focus on reducing debt rather than improving infrastructure. Following that a large amount of borrowing, driven by the COVID pandemic initially but continued on with spending that delivered very little other than an over inflated economy

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What's the point reducing debt when you have a poorly functioning economy?
We act like debt is the boogie man. Govt debt is required to motivate the economy, esp in a recession.

 

[Inruin]

What's the point reducing debt when you have a poorly functioning economy?

What's the point of reducing debt when our infrastructure is lacking ie 2017 - 2019. If you think our current debt is low what was the need to drastically reduce it then. I accept the initial COVID induced borrowing and spending but the following continued borrowing and spending is a really wasted opportunity to give a boost to infrastructure with a majority government and an acceptance of debt by the general public. Unfortunately we have very little to show for it

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

What's the point reducing debt when you have a poorly functioning economy?
We act like debt is the boogie man. Govt debt is required to motivate the economy, esp in a recession.

Needs to be remembered that the weak economy was manufactured to bring inflation back to target levels. It’s temporary, the economy will slowly move into recovery mode over the next 12 months, hopefully with more people understanding this thing that many forgot existed as they took on more and more debt - risk.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Underinvestment in health pre-dates the current government by decades.

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[Rizzah]

What's the point of reducing debt when our infrastructure is lacking ie 2017 - 2019. If you think our current debt is low what was the need to drastically reduce it then. I accept the initial COVID induced borrowing and spending but the following continued borrowing and spending is a really wasted opportunity to give a boost to infrastructure with a majority government and an acceptance of debt by the general public. Unfortunately we have very little to show for it

I'm not advocating for reducing spending. Aiming for a surplus at any time with the litany of problems we have is a fools game. The 2017-2019 govt was stupid to do it.
It wasn't all for nothing - They increased the home ownership rate, for the first time in 30+ years. Infrastructure investment is a long game - you're not going to see much in 3 years (when they had the giant mandate). They squandered it a fair bit, but there was no need for national to cut the cord as it appears to be doing. The labout initiatives should have been continued - increase spend on PT and alternative modes of transport. KO build program especially.

 

[Rizzah]

Needs to be remembered that the weak economy was manufactured to bring inflation back to target levels. It’s temporary, the economy will slowly move into recovery mode over the next 12 months, hopefully with more people understanding this thing that many forgot existed as they took on more and more debt - risk.

They have tanked economic capacity in critical areas. That will take a fair few years to correct. Construction, healthcare, education, R&D.
You wait, the recovery will be house trading and temporary visas.

 

[Inruin]

I'm not advocating for reducing spending. Aiming for a surplus at any time with the litany of problems we have is a fools game. The 2017-2019 govt was stupid to do it.
It wasn't all for nothing - They increased the home ownership rate, for the first time in 30+ years. Infrastructure investment is a long game - you're not going to see much in 3 years (when they had the giant mandate). They squandered it a fair bit, but there was no need for national to cut the cord as it appears to be doing. The labout initiatives should have been continued - increase spend on PT and alternative modes of transport. KO build program especially.

Yes it needs to be balanced, but IMO the place we found ourselves in with high inflation and high interest rates needed correction. Fairly short and sharp in the Grand scheme of things. Given that business confidence was at a massive low point just prior to the election with over 80% considering the economy in a bad state and 6% thinking the government had no plan, I think we were almost forced in to this. Definitely could be arguments made around how much, how fast etc. Housing is certainly one area but with the level of borrowing and spending we should have had a couple of new hospitals instead of now arguing over what Dunedin's one should now look like

 

[Rizzah]

Yes it needs to be balanced, but IMO the place we found ourselves in with high inflation and high interest rates needed correction. Fairly short and sharp in the Grand scheme of things. Given that business confidence was at a massive low point just prior to the election with over 80% considering the economy in a bad state and 6% thinking the government had no plan, I think we were almost forced in to this. Definitely could be arguments made around how much, how fast etc

What causes inflation? Capacity problems. So expand economic capacity you can control, you do this with investment. Training/education/research, infrastructure. Def not austerity.
There's a fundamental misunderstanding of what Govt spending can do.

Business confidence is complete BS measure. And certainly not something to change a govt over.

 

[MaybeTop8]

They have tanked economic capacity in critical areas. That will take a fair few years to correct. Construction, healthcare, education.
You wait, the recovery will be house trading and temporary visas.

This government have screwed us, their only plan is to sell off our assets