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Did they just fund the lowest decile schools? Sounds sensible enough.
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Perhaps, for the largest University in NZ, utilizing their funding for their core business might have been more advisable than sponsoring Eden Park?Stuff
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Perhaps instead of introducing compulsory first year Maori courses they could focus on the actual thing students are going to university to study?
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Governments spend first, then tax. That’s why they can fund things like school lunches without needing to ‘pre-fund’ them. The idea that a government must ‘balance the books’ like a household is a complete misunderstanding of how modern economies function. And the budget is just a Treasury estimate, not a hard limit.
Look at successful economies. They run deficits almost every year. But the key question isn’t about the numbers, it’s whether that spending is expanding the ability to produce, innovate, and sustain growth.
A government deficit isn’t the problem, the real constraint on the economy is our productive capacity. If we are producing enough skilled workers, factories, infrastructure, and materials, we can build more houses, improve transport, expand private sector businesses, and increase exports. Funny enough we are exporting a big part of our productive capacity to Australia - skilled workers.
A government running a deficit to feed kids, improve educational outcomes, build houses, upgrade infrastructure - lower costs for the private sector (energy, utilities etc) isn’t reckless; it makes sense.
But deficit spending on tax cuts while gutting public services and govt investments, weakens the economy - as we are seeing now.
It's still nonsense to say they don't need to have it in their budget. Just add it in when they want to or whatever they want to spend money on. The school lunches are a good thing and should be funded appropriately, but this isn't their first year. It's a known expense. To not include it and then say oh well we are going to continue to fund it is disingenuous, at best. There are checks and balances for a reason.
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Are you saying Labour couldn't afford to fund it if they got back into office? If so, you don't get it.
There will be a fuck load of shuffling of things each budget to make it 'work', because we are fixated unnecessarily on the 'deficit'.
I'm saying the deficit doesn't matter - just fund the programme properly, the positive outcomes will outweigh the cost.
I'm saying it wasn't included in their budget forecasts moving forward. It wasn't like it was a new policy. It was a known expense.
Whether they could afford it or not is irrelevant to this point.
I agree it should be funded appropriately.
The school lunches weren't budgeted longer term after 2024, but so what? - Labour sees the programme as beneficial, wants it to continue - they just insert the 'school lunches' line into the new budget, if future projected revenue doesn't cover it then it is counted as part of the deficit.
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Uh huh. If you say so. School lunches is one thing. Extrapolate that out to anything and everything that any government, not just Labour, wants to do that they think is beneficial. If you can't see how that quickly becomes a problem then I don't know what else to say.
"Come on over cuz, the mud's boiling!"
Direct spending that is beneficial to expanding productive capacity/sustainable growth, this is the whole argument. Kids eating well at school is part of this.
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No that wasn't it at all. You have jumped to that all by yourself.
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Lol… people criticise Jacinda it’s: ‘misogynistic dumb fuck social media driven hate against women and liberals’
Currently people are criticising Seymour with the same hate. Every politician that puts themselves forward gets hate. Clarke, Key, Jacinda and now Luxon. Right leaning MP’s don’t even go to Waitangi anymore. All leaders around the world got it more over covid.
The WOKENESS is laughable.
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You fundamentally dont understand government finances. They dont 'pay' for anything. They take YOUR money through threat of force and redistribute it. If they dont take enough, they borrow and repay by taking more.
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remove all the dogshit indigenous and gender programs, full fees for Arts, and a flip the acceptance / graduation stats. 40% acceptance and 5% graduation.
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The lefts misinformation campaign about the government sector being slashed; govt underfunding public services preparing for privatisation and all the other BS proven to be left agenda propaganda in a herald article:
‘The public sector has been growing as a portion of the workforce since 2017, when it accounted for 17.9% of the workforce. By June 2024, it made up 19.2% of the workforce.
Stripping out the health and education workforces, which correlate more closely with population growth, as well as people who work in local government, the public sector grew as a proportion of the workforce from 6.1% in June 2017 to 6.8% by June 2024.’
Numbers way above where they were. There is no slashing of govt department. So the big question is why are they performing so poorly with crisis in multiple give departments?
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‘The public sector has been growing as a portion of the workforce since 2017, when it accounted for 17.9% of the workforce. By June 2024, it made up 19.2% of the workforce.
Stripping out the health and education workforces, which correlate more closely with population growth, as well as people who work in local government, the public sector grew as a proportion of the workforce from 6.1% in June 2017 to 6.8% by June 2024.’
Numbers way above where they were. There is no slashing of govt department. So the big question is why are they performing so poorly with crisis in multiple give departments?
Prime Minister open to axing government departments
Public Service Commissioner considers culling entities to tackle double-ups, waste.
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More form the article on why our govt departments have money thrown at them but descend to crisis:The lefts misinformation campaign about the government sector being slashed; govt underfunding public services preparing for privatisation and all the other BS proven to be left agenda propaganda in a herald article:
‘The public sector has been growing as a portion of the workforce since 2017, when it accounted for 17.9% of the workforce. By June 2024, it made up 19.2% of the workforce.
Stripping out the health and education workforces, which correlate more closely with population growth, as well as people who work in local government, the public sector grew as a proportion of the workforce from 6.1% in June 2017 to 6.8% by June 2024.’
Numbers way above where they were. So the big question is why are they performing so poorly with crisis in multiple give departments?
Prime Minister open to axing government departments
Public Service Commissioner considers culling entities to tackle double-ups, waste.
‘A problem auditor general John Ryan identified was entities changing performance metrics, so they couldn’t be fairly compared year-on-year.
He said his office recently looked at reporting done by 33 agencies over a three-year period.
A year after the base year, 30% of measures in the reports were either new or had changed. Two years after the base year, half were either new or had changed.
“You can’t track performance on that basis,” Ryan said.
Ryan said much of the performance reporting he saw also zeroed in on short-term measures, and was fairly internally focused.
He urged the Government to change the law to require departments to better report on what their spending achieves.
“Often we get Budget announcements at the time the Budget is announced, but that’s the last we hear of them,” Ryan said in January.
“They then get distributed into multiple agencies, into multiple appropriations within those agencies, and unless it’s required to bring them back together [which it isn’t at the moment], then you can never see them again.”
Example of the mental health billions in action? Labour must be all for this, so the good they attempt to do actually hits where it’s needed.
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You think thats bad. Australia is at nearly 25% at a cost of $232B per annum. Just adult day care.The lefts misinformation campaign about the government sector being slashed; govt underfunding public services preparing for privatisation and all the other BS proven to be left agenda propaganda in a herald article:
‘The public sector has been growing as a portion of the workforce since 2017, when it accounted for 17.9% of the workforce. By June 2024, it made up 19.2% of the workforce.
Stripping out the health and education workforces, which correlate more closely with population growth, as well as people who work in local government, the public sector grew as a proportion of the workforce from 6.1% in June 2017 to 6.8% by June 2024.’
Numbers way above where they were. There is no slashing of govt department. So the big question is why are they performing so poorly with crisis in multiple give departments?
Prime Minister open to axing government departments
Public Service Commissioner considers culling entities to tackle double-ups, waste.
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It's really not the same. There's no excuse for any of this abuse, whatever flavour of political spectrum, but the right have been piling it on through all of the conspiracies, disinformation, misogyny and bigotry of the last 15 - 20 years.Lol… people criticise Jacinda it’s: ‘misogynistic dumb fuck social media driven hate against women and liberals’
Currently people are criticising Seymour with the same hate. Every politician that puts themselves forward gets hate. Clarke, Key, Jacinda and now Luxon. Right leaning MP’s don’t even go to Waitangi anymore. All leaders around the world got it more over covid.
The WOKENESS is laughable.
You're playing the false equivalence victim above, but this isn't that in this context at all.
Pretty sure the amount of vile threats, anecdotally too disgusting to name won't have been levelled in anywhere near the same manner at ANY male mp in anywhere near the same volume.
Nine out of 10 hateful posts tracked in darkest corners of the internet targeted Ardern - new study
An online hate tracker found Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern was the target of 93 percent of toxic posts against seven high profile politicians and officials, with a total of 5438 abusive messages.
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Jacinda Ardern abuse 'abhorrent', says incoming NZ PM Chris Hipkins
Chris Hipkins vows to protect his family from the treatment his predecessor, Jacinda Ardern, received.
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Jacinda Ardern May Need Ongoing Security as Private Citizen
Jacinda Ardern is likely to require an unprecedented level of security for a former New Zealand prime minister given the extent of the abuse and threats she faced while in office
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