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[wizard of Tauranga]

It's really not the same. There's no excuse for any of this abuse, whatever flavour of political spectrum, but the right have been piling it on through all of the conspiracies, disinformation, misogyny and bigotry of the last 15 - 20 years.

You're playing the false equivalence victim above, but this isn't that in this context at all.

Pretty sure the amount of vile threats, anecdotally too disgusting to name won't have been levelled in anywhere near the same manner at ANY male mp in anywhere near the same volume.

Nine out of 10 hateful posts tracked in darkest corners of the internet targeted Ardern - new study

An online hate tracker found Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern was the target of 93 percent of toxic posts against seven high profile politicians and officials, with a total of 5438 abusive messages.

www.rnz.co.nz

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Jacinda Ardern abuse 'abhorrent', says incoming NZ PM Chris Hipkins

Chris Hipkins vows to protect his family from the treatment his predecessor, Jacinda Ardern, received.

www.bbc.com

Jacinda Ardern May Need Ongoing Security as Private Citizen

Jacinda Ardern is likely to require an unprecedented level of security for a former New Zealand prime minister given the extent of the abuse and threats she faced while in office

time.com

and many, many more articles

How many Labour politicians have been hit with a dildo?

Happens to them all. Sounds like you’re just claiming a female can’t handle it? Typical male perspective.

 

[MaybeTop8]

How many Labour politicians have been hit with a dildo?

You really should, if you have the time, look at the appalling abuse.

 

[miket12]

How many Labour politicians have been hit with a dildo?

I don't think an OIA enquiry would find the answer to that

 

[Inruin]

How many Labour politicians have been hit with a dildo?

A few Green ones have I believe

 

[John Nick]

A few Green ones have I believe

Wow Have you ever seen a green dildo .
Must have been St Patrick's day

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

You really should, if you have the time, look at the appalling abuse.

I’ve seen all sorts of rubbish on all sides. Eg Your just blind to the stuff Seymour has received and the increased security he needs; why Luxon avoids Waitangi; look at what Trump gets - trying to assassinate the guy.

Comes with the territory. Any politician that makes life altering decisions (their job) will get upset people taking it personally.

All this ‘but she’s a girl’ just sounds chauvinistic.

 

[MaybeTop8]

This government are utterly inept in all ways apart from destruction and extraction of wealth.

Watch: The best and worst-performing hospital EDs in NZ revealed

Official information reveals the best and worst performing hospital emergency departments.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[MaybeTop8]

I’ve seen all sorts of rubbish on all sides. Eg Your just blind to the stuff Seymour has received and the increased security he needs; why Luxon avoids Waitangi; look at what Trump gets - trying to assassinate the guy.

Comes with the territory. Any politician that makes life altering decisions (their job) will get upset people taking it personally.

All this ‘but she’s a girl’ just sounds chauvinistic.

Last time, it's pointless, but here I am - please actually take some time to look at the deplorable flood of vitriol, violence sexual and otherwise, abuse and the statistics done by the research mentioned in those articles.

I know you won't, but just in case.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Another predictable failure - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/politica...w-many-boot-camp-participants-back-in-custody

 

[Inruin]

Another predictable failure - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/politica...w-many-boot-camp-participants-back-in-custody

Considering they are amongst the worst of the youth offenders its not surprising that there is reoffending. How many haven't reoffended from this first cohort? How many were reoffending before this program? How many other youth have had second thoughts about getting involved in youth crime like ram raids since this was announced, considering these have reduced significantly? What was being done that shouted success previously?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Considering they are amongst the worst of the youth offenders its not surprising that there is reoffending. How many haven't reoffended from this first cohort? How many were reoffending before this program? How many other youth have had second thoughts about getting involved in youth crime like ram raids since this was announced, considering these have reduced significantly? What was being done that shouted success previously?

Pity Luxon didn't answer the questions

 

[Inruin]

Pity Luxon didn't answer the questions

As expected, another predicted failure of an answer from you.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Last time, it's pointless, but here I am - please actually take some time to look at the deplorable flood of vitriol, violence sexual and otherwise, abuse and the statistics done by the research mentioned in those articles.

I know you won't, but just in case.

For the last time, unless she dodges a bullet like Trump has, I don’t believe their is a hate campaign just aimed at the left

 

[miket12]

Another predictable failure - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/politica...w-many-boot-camp-participants-back-in-custody

Yet, if this site is to be believed, the 60% figure Labour released is still better than the reoffending youth justice figures from Britain.

Youth justice facts and figures - Beyond Youth Custody

In January 2015, the number of children in custody was 981 – the first time on record the population has fallen below 1,000. Numbers have been falling steadily over the past decade, which is welcome, but it poses new and […]

www.beyondyouthcustody.net

Be interesting to see what the rate of reoffending is in five years from those in the boat camps to those in the rest of the NZ youth justice system which is at 75%.

Executive Summary

www.corrections.govt.nz

My reading on it.... IF they stop some kids from reoffending at a higher rate than the rest of the kids in the system, yes, it was successful.... but, we need a far greater range than just the first lot to see how it pans out. Ideally, we need it to run for five years for a proper comparison.

 

[Inruin]

Yet, if this site is to be believed, the 60% figure Labour released is still better than the reoffending youth justice figures from Britain.

Youth justice facts and figures - Beyond Youth Custody

In January 2015, the number of children in custody was 981 – the first time on record the population has fallen below 1,000. Numbers have been falling steadily over the past decade, which is welcome, but it poses new and […]

www.beyondyouthcustody.net

Be interesting to see what the rate of reoffending is in five years from those in the boat camps to those in the rest of the NZ youth justice system which is at 75%.

Executive Summary

www.corrections.govt.nz

My reading on it.... IF they stop some kids from reoffending at a higher rate than the rest of the kids in the system, yes, it was successful.... but, we need a far greater range than just the first lot to see how it pans out. Ideally, we need it to run for five years for a proper comparison.

Its also the worst reoffenders that are being sent to participate in these camps. Almost any change in behaviour is an improvement on what has been happening with these kids previously

 

[MaybeTop8]

Its also the worst reoffenders that are being sent to participate in these camps. Almost any change in behaviour is an improvement on what has been happening with these kids previously

We can't have two maybetop8s!

 

[defensivebomb]

You think thats bad. Australia is at nearly 25% at a cost of $232B per annum. Just adult day care.

At least some of that is a strong defence force in Aus

 

[defensivebomb]

How many Labour politicians have been hit with a dildo?

Pretty certain Grant R took a hammering

 

[MrFrankWhite]

At least some of that is a strong defence force in Aus

Strong you reckon...

I mean yeah I guess compared to NZ

 

[Worried2Death]

I’ve seen all sorts of rubbish on all sides. Eg Your just blind to the stuff Seymour has received and the increased security he needs; why Luxon avoids Waitangi; look at what Trump gets - trying to assassinate the guy.

Comes with the territory. Any politician that makes life altering decisions (their job) will get upset people taking it personally.

All this ‘but she’s a girl’ just sounds chauvinistic.

Sad that public threats to rape and murder your child are just part of the job now. I don't know if Lux and Seymour get the same treatment, haven't seen it if they do.