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[Mr. Brownstone]

That sounds like cancel culture to me! From the right, who knew?

Seriously piss off

 

[defensivebomb]

Sigh. Here's how they record the data mate:

https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Digital-health/Health-information-standards/HISO-10001-2017-Ethnicity-Data-Protocols.pdf

It is literally if someone says they identify as say four ethnicities, it's a standardised way of distilling that information so they are only counted in the stats once.

So its not priority in care, its priority in stats.

Well ok. I can cede that point because it makes sense. You sound like an analytical person.

So following on from this, the distillation of data upweights one race over the other based on the priorities. This will result in that race being:
A) over represented in medical conditions, and
B) allocated more medical care than someone else who ticks only a non-priority box

So by its nature of data collection, it inherently favours the prioritised fields

And that’s in addition to actual prioritisation of surgery lists by non-medical bureaucrats

 

[Inruin]

In your opinion.

Mine is, sure it's a conspiracy, but it's actually being enacted in front of your very eyes. So, I think quite balanced really, especially as it's factual

So just to clarify, your opinion is a conspiracy that you feel is being inacted in front of everyone's eyes so that makes you balanced and your opinion factual? In your opinion.

 

[Inruin]

In your opinion. Sorry Inruin, just borrowing your phrase, completely appropriate context I think.

His first part was fact. Followed by an assumption based on this fact. In my opinion.

 

[Damo]

Well ok. I can cede that point because it makes sense. You sound like an analytical person.

So following on from this, the distillation of data upweights one race over the other based on the priorities. This will result in that race being:
A) over represented in medical conditions, and
B) allocated more medical care than someone else who ticks only a non-priority box

So by its nature of data collection, it inherently favours the prioritised fields

And that’s in addition to actual prioritisation of surgery lists by non-medical bureaucrats

You are conflating two seperate things..

All of these ethnicities are provided by the patient, if the race is over represented in medical conditions that's because it's likely the actual number.

Allocation of medical care has nothing to do with the priorities that you presented in this picture. That's an entirely separate thing.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Sigh. Here's how they record the data mate:

https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Digital-health/Health-information-standards/HISO-10001-2017-Ethnicity-Data-Protocols.pdf

It is literally if someone says they identify as say four ethnicities, it's a standardised way of distilling that information so they are only counted in the stats once.

So its not priority in care, its priority in stats.

Those stats are used to make decisions and therefore they are flawed.

Example - my mother needs medication that is free to Maori and not to her. She has the exact same critical need as any Maori.

 

[Damo]

Those stats are used to make decisions and therefore they are flawed.

Example - my mother needs medication that is free to Maori and not to her. She has the exact same critical need as any Maori.

How are they flawed? Its literally recording of patients data

The medication thing is totally a seperate issue.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Sigh. Here's how they record the data mate:

https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Digital-health/Health-information-standards/HISO-10001-2017-Ethnicity-Data-Protocols.pdf

It is literally if someone says they identify as say four ethnicities, it's a standardised way of distilling that information so they are only counted in the stats once.

So its not priority in care, its priority in stats.

These protocols are used all across govt. eg I know for a fact education uses the same priority based racial system.

So the question is, can you answer if a Maori or a European is more lively to be under achieving in school if all multiethnic Maori/ European children are not included as European?

And we then make funding decisions based on trash data…

 

[Damo]

These protocols are used all across govt. eg I know for a fact education uses the same priority based racial system.

So the question is, can you answer if a Maori or a European is more lively to be under achieving in school if all multiethnic Maori/ European children are not included as European?

And we then make funding decisions based on trash data…

Did you read anything I wrote? The priority system is for the recording of data, nothing to do with medical priority.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Did you read anything I wrote? The priority system is for the recording of data, nothing to do with medical priority.

As I said, the same priority system is used across multiple govt departments.

In education there are annual surveys that default children to the highest priority race. These surveys are used to determine funding for programmes, where resources are spent, changes to the curriculum, etc.

They are quoted in news releases and used to inform debates.

And are misinformation. Again, who is more likely to be underachieving in school and where’s the proof?

 

[Damo]

As I said, the same priority system is used across multiple govt departments.

In education there are annual surveys that default children to the highest priority race. These surveys are used to determine funding for programmes, where resources are spent, changes to the curriculum, etc.

They are quoted in news releases and used to inform debates.

And are misinformation.

Please read this and tell me its the same priority system, your are conflating two seperate things.

https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Digital-health/Health-information-standards/HISO-10001-2017-Ethnicity-Data-Protocols.pdf

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Please read this and tell me its the same priority system, your are conflating two seperate things.

https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Digital-health/Health-information-standards/HISO-10001-2017-Ethnicity-Data-Protocols.pdf

It’s 41 pages mate. I’m saying the govt is using data that skews it towards priority outcomes and it’s wrong.

 

[Damo]

It’s 41 pages mate. I’m saying the govt is using data that skews it towards priority outcomes and it’s wrong.

You are confusing the argument, I am not talking about that.

I am talking about the way they record ethnicity data, its got nothing to do with what you are talking about.

I present you with facts that you refuse to look at and think its got to do with a seperate issue

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

You are confusing the argument, I am not talking about that.

I am talking about the way they record ethnicity data, its got nothing to do with what you are talking about.

I present you with facts that you refuse to look at and think its got to do with a seperate issue

Why record ethnicity data?

 

[Damo]

Why record ethnicity data?

No idea. The 'why' is not what I was addressing, it's people misrepresenting this priority in a picture as something that its not.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Actions and outcomes, not disinformation should the yardstick.

Example of misinformation quoted in media:


When most inmates will be multiple ethnicities there is no way the total ethnic population can equal 100%. In reality Europeans in prison would be higher than Maori if people of combined Maori and European ancestry were identified as both rather than defaulted to Maori as our govt priority data does.

This is a disservice to Maori when these stats are always quoted labelling Maori. I would be in an uproar if I was Maori and the data was being deliberately skewed to make me look worse.

Prison facts and statistics - March 2024

www.corrections.govt.nz

 

[MaybeTop8]

You are confusing the argument, I am not talking about that.

I am talking about the way they record ethnicity data, its got nothing to do with what you are talking about.

I present you with facts that you refuse to look at and think its got to do with a seperate issue

That's wiz. Facts get steam hollered in his neoliberal world