Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Damo]

Yet we are told by many Maori if your 1% Maori you are Maori. So if you choose to identify as on to get all the perks then it’s only fair you fall into that category when being labeled.

I wish I got some of these "perks" where are they?!

 

[Damo]

How is that racist? This is what Rawiri, Packer and TPM have said. Rawiri has even said Maori blood is superior. You are a typical leftie, you preach niceness and inclusion, unless someone doesn’t agree with you or has a different way of thinking. You then get labeled either a racist or a someone who doesn’t care. The fact is Labour had 6 years in power, let’s excuse 3 for Covid, but the last three were woke bullshit that put plenty of business out of business , esp Wellington, farmers got shafted so our food prices went up, inflation ran at 7.4%, Health, Roading, education, poverty, crime all got worse.
They changed names of crown organisations to Maori so nobody had a clue what they were, esp tourists., did they consult the public on that?
They let people languish on the job seeker with no recourse or kpi’s for years even tho we had a job shortage, there are cultural discounts applied to murders and rapist who only get 8-10 years or worse get home detention, ram raids I couldnt keep up how many were happening per day. Then we had payments to gangs. Housing NZ was a mass joke and nobody go evicted even if you threatened your neighbours multiple times, you could also trash the house you lived in with no consequence.
I could then go on about the ministers that were fired or left under Labour and the behaviour of the Greens. The worst was when Golriz blamed it on mental health ffs.
I could go on all day, like Labour playing whale sounds to kauri trees to stop kauri dieback that cost 4 mill because it was ancient Maori theory (bullshit) . But I won’t because I havnt got days and it does my head in that people want them back in so soon and criticise EVERY decision they don’t like about this government. The left ideology’s don’t work which is why we are seeing the downfall of Ardern, Biden, Trudeau and others all over the world.
So in conclusion you will have to excuse me of voting for the left for a very, very long time.

I think we found the reverse Top 8.

 

[Funky Ed Koosie]

I wish I got some of these "perks" where are they?!

Apparently you're/we are getting free drugs that @wizard of Tauranga mum's not getting.

 

[Damo]

Apparently you're/we are getting free drugs that @wizard of Tauranga mum's not getting.

I disagree with him on a lot of things, but I don't think talking about Wiz family in a negative way is on mate.

 

[Funky Ed Koosie]

I disagree with him on a lot of things, but I don't think talking about Wiz family in a negative way is on mate.

Did you see what he posted?

 

[MaybeTop8]

How is that racist? This is what Rawiri, Packer and TPM have said. Rawiri has even said Maori blood is superior. You are a typical leftie, you preach niceness and inclusion, unless someone doesn’t agree with you or has a different way of thinking. You then get labeled either a racist or a someone who doesn’t care. The fact is Labour had 6 years in power, let’s excuse 3 for Covid, but the last three were woke bullshit that put plenty of business out of business , esp Wellington, farmers got shafted so our food prices went up, inflation ran at 7.4%, Health, Roading, education, poverty, crime all got worse.
They changed names of crown organisations to Maori so nobody had a clue what they were, esp tourists., did they consult the public on that?
They let people languish on the job seeker with no recourse or kpi’s for years even tho we had a job shortage, there are cultural discounts applied to murders and rapist who only get 8-10 years or worse get home detention, ram raids I couldnt keep up how many were happening per day. Then we had payments to gangs. Housing NZ was a mass joke and nobody go evicted even if you threatened your neighbours multiple times, you could also trash the house you lived in with no consequence.
I could then go on about the ministers that were fired or left under Labour and the behaviour of the Greens. The worst was when Golriz blamed it on mental health ffs.
I could go on all day, like Labour playing whale sounds to kauri trees to stop kauri dieback that cost 4 mill because it was ancient Maori theory (bullshit) . But I won’t because I havnt got days and it does my head in that people want them back in so soon and criticise EVERY decision they don’t like about this government. The left ideology’s don’t work which is why we are seeing the downfall of Ardern, Biden, Trudeau and others all over the world.
So in conclusion you will have to excuse me of voting for the left for a very, very long time.

Is that you Sean Plunkett (actually, more Leo Molloy)? Jaysis.

 

[Damo]

Did you see what he posted?

Yes, it was a direct reply to me. I can't argue with an anecdote as I wasn't there.

 

[MaybeTop8]

How is that racist? This is what Rawiri, Packer and TPM have said. Rawiri has even said Maori blood is superior. You are a typical leftie, you preach niceness and inclusion, unless someone doesn’t agree with you or has a different way of thinking. You then get labeled either a racist or a someone who doesn’t care. The fact is Labour had 6 years in power, let’s excuse 3 for Covid, but the last three were woke bullshit that put plenty of business out of business , esp Wellington, farmers got shafted so our food prices went up, inflation ran at 7.4%, Health, Roading, education, poverty, crime all got worse.
They changed names of crown organisations to Maori so nobody had a clue what they were, esp tourists., did they consult the public on that?
They let people languish on the job seeker with no recourse or kpi’s for years even tho we had a job shortage, there are cultural discounts applied to murders and rapist who only get 8-10 years or worse get home detention, ram raids I couldnt keep up how many were happening per day. Then we had payments to gangs. Housing NZ was a mass joke and nobody go evicted even if you threatened your neighbours multiple times, you could also trash the house you lived in with no consequence.
I could then go on about the ministers that were fired or left under Labour and the behaviour of the Greens. The worst was when Golriz blamed it on mental health ffs.
I could go on all day, like Labour playing whale sounds to kauri trees to stop kauri dieback that cost 4 mill because it was ancient Maori theory (bullshit) . But I won’t because I havnt got days and it does my head in that people want them back in so soon and criticise EVERY decision they don’t like about this government. The left ideology’s don’t work which is why we are seeing the downfall of Ardern, Biden, Trudeau and others all over the world.
So in conclusion you will have to excuse me of voting for the left for a very, very long time.

There's so much wrong here, but honestly, thanks for at least being honest where you come from in your comments. There's so much disinformation and conspiracy.

Labour were fucking useless. I agree on that.

 

[Funky Ed Koosie]

Yes, it was a direct reply to me. I can't argue with an anecdote as I wasn't there.
The resident racists only does "anecdotes" when it cant be confirmed. Let's not forget on the previous forum, the same racist was proud of an assualt on a minor.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Yes, it was a direct reply to me. I can't argue with an anecdote as I wasn't there.

Shall we check with Pharmac to confirm if this is going on?

‘Initial priority will be given to our Treaty partner, Māori, who are well evidenced to experience health inequities.’

https://pharmac.govt.nz/assets/achieving-medicine-access-equity-in-aotearoa-new-zealand-towards-a-theory-of-change.pdf

 

[Worried2Death]

Shall we check with Pharmac:

‘Initial priority will be given to our Treaty partner, Māori, who are well evidenced to experience health inequities.’

https://pharmac.govt.nz/assets/achieving-medicine-access-equity-in-aotearoa-new-zealand-towards-a-theory-of-change.pdf

As a philosophical exercise though, should medicine be triaged to demographics with the worst health?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

As a philosophical exercise though, should medicine be triaged to demographics with the worst health?

it should be given to those with the most need.

If two identical people have the exact same need, these people believe one should get it because of their culture?

That completely dismissed that there is variation within cultures. eg many Maori are richer and healthier than my mother but would be fully funded while my mother compromises her lifestyle to get what she needs.

I get Maori have had poor outcomes but denying one to give to another of equal need got Labour voted out and led to the racial divide the country is experiencing.

 

[Worried2Death]

it should be given to those with the most need.

If two identical people have the exact same need, these people believe one should get it because of their culture?

That completely dismissed that there is variation within cultures. eg many Maori are richer and healthier than my mother but would be fully funded while my mother compromises her lifestyle to get what she needs.

I get Maori have had poor outcomes but denying one to give to another of equal need got Labour voted out and led to the racial divide the country is experiencing.

I think factors like whether you've contributed to your own poor health with smoking and eating KFC and shit every day should be considered before ethnicities, but that would require heavy state monitoring of people's choices. Someone has to miss out because there's only only so many resources.

 

[Inruin]

As a philosophical exercise though, should medicine be triaged to demographics with the worst health?

No, it should be on a greatest needs basis and to address any inequities in health outcomes we need to look at some of the underlying issues causing it. This is where some good statistical analysis would be worthwhile. At a guess I would say some of the causes are access to healthcare for people living in rural/remote areas. A lack of education. Lower socio economic group over represented in the worse outcomes - how do we lift incomes across the board and reduce healthcare costs for this particular group as well as improving dietary intake. Incidentally this is where I think Seymour may have got it wrong with school lunches. I get the need for cost control but this particular group we can easily target with healthy meals and know it's being received by them.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I think factors like whether you've contributed to your own poor health with smoking and eating KFC and shit every day should be considered before ethnicities, but that would require heavy state monitoring of people's choices. Someone has to miss out because there's only only so many resources.

Hmm… what about ACC’s no fault policies? Should we look at them too?

This is a minefield…

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

As a philosophical exercise though, should medicine be triaged to demographics with the worst health?

So like men, who statistically die younger than woman?

Should I get free medicine and my wife has to pay for the same stuff?

 

[Worried2Death]

Hmm… what about ACC’s no fault policies? Should we look at them too?

This is a minefield…

Sure is. But if you're committing passive suicide by smoking, sorry you're last on the list for the cancer op buddy.

 

[Worried2Death]

So like men, who statistically die younger than woman?

Should I get free medicine and my wife has to pay for the same stuff?

No idea, we can't change genetic inheritance, yet.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Sure is. But if you're committing passive suicide by smoking, sorry you're last on the list for the cancer op buddy.

Yikes… so if Maori have statistically higher smoking rates they SHOULDNT get funded, rather than getting extra funded

Don’t like where this is heading.

I’m all for equal access based on need.

 

[Worried2Death]

Yikes… so if Maori have statistically higher smoking rates they SHOULDNT get funded, rather than getting extra funded

Don’t like where this is heading.

I’m all for equal access based on need.

That's one of your commie utopian dreams, there's never enough resources for everyone in need.