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Children’s Minister Karen Chhour said on Thursday she was disappointed in the alleged reoffending, but believed it would be naive to think none of those participating would reoffend.

“I’m saddened that this young person has not taken this opportunity at a second chance,” she said in a statement.

“We were hopeful this would not occur, but we understand the complexities in the lives of these young people. Ultimately, what they do with these opportunities is up to them.”

She said the pilot had learnt from previous military-style programmes, with a key differentiating factor being that support was given to the participants after they left the residence and returned to the community.

“I am confident the residential stage of the Military-Style Academy pilot is having success.

“Several of the boys left the programme with jobs already lined up. Each one has a mentor who is working with them and there is intensive, tailored support for each young person.”


May not be the answer for everyone but surely having some of these kids coming through this with jobs lined up must be a win? Time will tell whether this helps in the long run. What has been in place previously doesn't appear to have been effective to any degree for these young offenders
 

Children’s Minister Karen Chhour said on Thursday she was disappointed in the alleged reoffending, but believed it would be naive to think none of those participating would reoffend.

“I’m saddened that this young person has not taken this opportunity at a second chance,” she said in a statement.

“We were hopeful this would not occur, but we understand the complexities in the lives of these young people. Ultimately, what they do with these opportunities is up to them.”

She said the pilot had learnt from previous military-style programmes, with a key differentiating factor being that support was given to the participants after they left the residence and returned to the community.

“I am confident the residential stage of the Military-Style Academy pilot is having success.

“Several of the boys left the programme with jobs already lined up. Each one has a mentor who is working with them and there is intensive, tailored support for each young person.”


May not be the answer for everyone but surely having some of these kids coming through this with jobs lined up must be a win? Time will tell whether this helps in the long run. What has been in place previously doesn't appear to have been effective to any degree for these young offenders
Even a 50% success rate would be a massive community win, one that would extrapolate with time. But bleeding heart lefties see 50% that as a fault of the intervention rather than the system.
 
You seem to have a keen eye for numbers, surely the noted failures of these boot camps worldwide would have been a concern prior?
Definitely seems to have been a concern.

The pilot had learnt from previous military-style programmes, with a key differentiating factor being that support was given to the participants after they left the residence and returned to the community.

I don't know if 'boot camps' is part of an answer or not, will be effective in any way or not but I find it strange that the parties against it, despite the pilot apparently having several young offenders going out with jobs available to them, have had the last 6 years to provide some alternative solution and haven't as far as I can tell. I feel like it's a must be negative towards it because we are in opposition type scenario.
 
If you think there's an INSTANT fix to human behavioral problems outside of a bullet, then you really need to sit the conversation out. Would need at least a decade of worth of data to start determining outcomes. How long have bootcamps been running?
Unfortunately politics is all about outcomes. National came in saying this was a fix, and fair that it needs time. But headlines like this won’t take long for any public support that bootcamps had to disappear if there’s no bang for buck and they’re running amok or escaping from the bootcamp. Polls show that more of the country feels like it’s heading in the wrong direction than those feeling that it is and this only fuels that feeling at the moment with many opposed to the initiative in the first place
 
Definitely seems to have been a concern.

The pilot had learnt from previous military-style programmes, with a key differentiating factor being that support was given to the participants after they left the residence and returned to the community.

I don't know if 'boot camps' is part of an answer or not, will be effective in any way or not but I find it strange that the parties against it, despite the pilot apparently having several young offenders going out with jobs available to them, have had the last 6 years to provide some alternative solution and haven't as far as I can tell. I feel like it's a must be negative towards it because we are in opposition type scenario.
One left almost immediately.
One has absconded and is now being sought by the police.
And another has re-offended.
Unrelated, but a fourth has passed away.

Hopefully the six others are proving better though, especially at the apparent $400,000 its costing the taxpayer per person.
 
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One left almost immediately.
One has absconded and is now being sought by the police.
And another has re-offended.
Unrelated, but a fourth has passed away.
Hopefully the six others are proving better though, especially at the apparent $400,000 its costing the taxpayer per person.
What is the cost otherwise?
 
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Unfortunately politics is all about outcomes. National came in saying this was a fix, and fair that it needs time. But headlines like this won’t take long for any public support that bootcamps had to disappear if there’s no bang for buck and they’re running amok or escaping from the bootcamp. Polls show that more of the country feels like it’s heading in the wrong direction than those feeling that it is and this only fuels that feeling at the moment with many opposed to the initiative in the first place
Isn't it intriguing that the headline was youth just out of boot camp reoffends and wasnt several kids successfully leave with jobs lined up.
 
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