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National might need to work on No. 4 on the left with that spelling
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Not at all. One kid died after being released, nd the other went AWOL attending his tangi. Continuation of the same behavioral issues.Stuff
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Some unfortunate news out of the bootcamps too
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Certainly not having the desired outcome
You think instantly fixing all of NZ youths cultural issues was a desired outcome?
Was there another desired outcome?
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Revealed: 15-year-old bootcamp participantās alleged crime spree
He's facing five charges for alleged crimes over three days.
Childrenās Minister Karen Chhour said on Thursday she was disappointed in the alleged reoffending, but believed it would be naive to think none of those participating would reoffend.
āIām saddened that this young person has not taken this opportunity at a second chance,ā she said in a statement.
āWe were hopeful this would not occur, but we understand the complexities in the lives of these young people. Ultimately, what they do with these opportunities is up to them.ā
She said the pilot had learnt from previous military-style programmes, with a key differentiating factor being that support was given to the participants after they left the residence and returned to the community.
āI am confident the residential stage of the Military-Style Academy pilot is having success.
āSeveral of the boys left the programme with jobs already lined up. Each one has a mentor who is working with them and there is intensive, tailored support for each young person.ā
May not be the answer for everyone but surely having some of these kids coming through this with jobs lined up must be a win? Time will tell whether this helps in the long run. What has been in place previously doesn't appear to have been effective to any degree for these young offenders
If you think there's an INSTANT fix to human behavioral problems outside of a bullet, then you really need to sit the conversation out. Would need at least a decade of worth of data to start determining outcomes. How long have bootcamps been running?
Even a 50% success rate would be a massive community win, one that would extrapolate with time. But bleeding heart lefties see 50% that as a fault of the intervention rather than the system.Revealed: 15-year-old bootcamp participantās alleged crime spree
He's facing five charges for alleged crimes over three days.www.nzherald.co.nz
Childrenās Minister Karen Chhour said on Thursday she was disappointed in the alleged reoffending, but believed it would be naive to think none of those participating would reoffend.
āIām saddened that this young person has not taken this opportunity at a second chance,ā she said in a statement.
āWe were hopeful this would not occur, but we understand the complexities in the lives of these young people. Ultimately, what they do with these opportunities is up to them.ā
She said the pilot had learnt from previous military-style programmes, with a key differentiating factor being that support was given to the participants after they left the residence and returned to the community.
āI am confident the residential stage of the Military-Style Academy pilot is having success.
āSeveral of the boys left the programme with jobs already lined up. Each one has a mentor who is working with them and there is intensive, tailored support for each young person.ā
May not be the answer for everyone but surely having some of these kids coming through this with jobs lined up must be a win? Time will tell whether this helps in the long run. What has been in place previously doesn't appear to have been effective to any degree for these young offenders
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The news prompted Opposition political parties to call on the minister to halt her legislation that would make the academies a permanent option for sentencing young serious offenders.
Good to know NZ's youth recidivism rate was 0% when National came to power
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Good to know NZ's youth recidivism rate was 0% when National came to power
Revealed: 15-year-old bootcamp participantās alleged crime spree
He's facing five charges for alleged crimes over three days.
You seem to have a keen eye for numbers, surely the noted failures of these boot camps worldwide would have been a concern prior?
Definitely seems to have been a concern.
The pilot had learnt from previous military-style programmes, with a key differentiating factor being that support was given to the participants after they left the residence and returned to the community.
I don't know if 'boot camps' is part of an answer or not, will be effective in any way or not but I find it strange that the parties against it, despite the pilot apparently having several young offenders going out with jobs available to them, have had the last 6 years to provide some alternative solution and haven't as far as I can tell. I feel like it's a must be negative towards it because we are in opposition type scenario.
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Unfortunately politics is all about outcomes. National came in saying this was a fix, and fair that it needs time. But headlines like this wonāt take long for any public support that bootcamps had to disappear if thereās no bang for buck and theyāre running amok or escaping from the bootcamp. Polls show that more of the country feels like itās heading in the wrong direction than those feeling that it is and this only fuels that feeling at the moment with many opposed to the initiative in the first place
One left almost immediately.
One has absconded and is now being sought by the police.
And another has re-offended.
Unrelated, but a fourth has passed away.
Hopefully the six others are proving better though, especially at the apparent $400,000 its costing the taxpayer per person.
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The bigger fail is using red on a National promotion!
Did a summer intern do the job?
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Both parties trying to be hip with the kids and do their Spotify Wrapped playlists for the year
What is the cost otherwise?
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Isn't it intriguing that the headline was youth just out of boot camp reoffends and wasnt several kids successfully leave with jobs lined up.
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$100k per person isnāt it?
Boot camps could cost $100,000 per teen
The Oranga Tamariki-run pilot starts at the end of the month,
Not really. Media will run with the negative headline and national isnāt alone in that regard in receiving it. Ardern received strong criticism for not lifting the children out of hardship that she pledged, just the same Luxon will be held to what he said he would achieve. In this instance itās fodder for media that he isnāt achieving what he said he would. I noticed the morning after the q and an interview that he continued with the what I would just say to you line thatās now become noticeable after it pointed out. He and the coalition have some work to do to regain the support they were having. I think he really needs to take a stance in the treaty principles bill. If he supports it heāll get the support of those that support it, if he doesnāt he needs to end it now and run with it was a coalition obligation that he had to act and itās not getting the support youād hope to see if there was strong public support
