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[Rick O’Shay]

He could just say he believes in them...

Totally agree but then they would ask what evidence does he have.

I cannot think of a Saturday I am so looking forward to in my life. Not because of the result, but because it will hopefully stop all the MSM crap we have to endure every day.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

It's more about who owns 7 houses and is campaigning to give tax relief to other landlords.

Of course interest deductibility isn't going to solve the whole issue but its one small tool.

Making this issue a campaign issue while simultaneously campaign on doles bludgers is pretty obscene...

Interest duductibility is daft. Was not supported by treasury, was not supported by IRD, is not supported by any accountant, is not used in any country overseas, is not applicable to any other business…

Labour did the stupid move introducing it, not National taking it to how it should be.

But he can’t revert back to standard practice because he owns houses…. Right…

Play the policy not the man.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

simultaneously campaign on doles bludgers is pretty obscene...

Benefits to inflation is sound economics.

Your spreading misinformation.

 

[Worried2Death]

Totally agree but then they would ask what evidence does he have.

I cannot think of a Saturday I am so looking forward to in my life. Not because of the result, but because it will hopefully stop all the MSM crap we have to endure every day.

Still weeks to go before Winston announces the coalition of chaos... with the NZ Labour Party! We might get our own Jan 6 insurrection if he does that again.

 

[John Nick]

Totally agree but then they would ask what evidence does he have.

I cannot think of a Saturday I am so looking forward to in my life. Not because of the result, but because it will hopefully stop all the MSM crap we have to endure every day.

Agreed. For me I can't stand the grandstanding from JMM and Beenadick.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Still weeks to go before Winston announces the coalition of chaos... with the NZ Labour Party! We might get our own Jan 6 insurrection if he does that again.

I've got to the stage where it doesn't really matter, I just want it over and we can maybe (but doubtful) move on to issues as attached.

Labour's Failures | Spending | Race-Based Division

DONATE Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Reddit WhatsApp Email Labour’s Failures Labour is attacking the person rather than playing the ball, maybe to distract from their achievements over the past 6 years: Multiple recessions under Labour in this term of government (2020 & 2023) and another forecast...

laboursfailures.com

Sorry for the length but there's only so much you can do over 6 years in charge.

 

[John Nick]

I've got to the stage where it doesn't really matter, I just want it over and we can maybe (but doubtful) move on to issues as attached.

Labour's Failures | Spending | Race-Based Division

DONATE Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Reddit WhatsApp Email Labour’s Failures Labour is attacking the person rather than playing the ball, maybe to distract from their achievements over the past 6 years: Multiple recessions under Labour in this term of government (2020 & 2023) and another forecast...

laboursfailures.com

Sorry for the length but there's only so much you can do over 6 years in charge.

One thing I am sure of is that in a few years time we will still be moaning about the state of affairs in NZ.
The system is broken and no particular party will make it any better.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The system is broken and no particular party will make it any better.

Disagree.

We will be better under National than this version of Labour who operate from fairy land.

Not perfect but 100% better than the failure of Labour.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

One thing I am sure of is that in a few years time we will still be moaning about the state of affairs in NZ.
The system is broken and no particular party will make it any better.

The cupboard is bare JN and other than one or two on all sides the lack of talent and tbh intelligence in the current crop of wannabees is alarming.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Still weeks to go before Winston announces the coalition of chaos... with the NZ Labour Party! We might get our own Jan 6 insurrection if he does that again.

I could actually see it happening.

And I do believe the country would be torn apart if it did with a massive loss of confidence in democracy and people taking issues into their own hands.

If Labour get in again it will be on the back of a deliberate misinformation campaign that has lacked integrity. If they get in democracy has failed and the result will be illegitimate. You can’t campaign on lies and misinformation in a democracy..

It will be like a lightning rod to the crazies to revolt.




Cue juju getting all upset and defensive

 

[juju]

Benefits to inflation is sound economics.

Your spreading misinformation.

Sound economics by a party that can't get consensus on their tax policy ANY economist or any minor party to say its credible.

The changes will have a very real & tangible impact on beneficiaries

'Can you answer the question?': Luxon grilled by AM's Bridge on benefits

Disability advocates say under National's plan, a single person on the supported living benefit would be $6 worse off in the first year, rising to $19 a week by 2026.

www.newshub.co.nz

They have also campaigned on stricter sanctions on beneficiaries despite unemployment being lower than under most of the National reign.

All the while wanting to make it easier for landlords with interest deductibility and no cause evictions (check on Bishops conduct on that)

No misinformation - just nasty & out of touch policy... probably why despite having $8m of funding and Labour still being underwhelming they're still struggling in the polls.

 

[defensivebomb]

Making this issue a campaign issue while simultaneously campaign on doles bludgers is pretty obscene...

If someone is in fact, a bludger and milking the system, then they are fair game

Nothing wrong with trying to weed out the bludgers from the people that actually need and deserve assistance

 

[juju]

If someone is in fact, a bludger and milking the system, then they are fair game

Nothing wrong with trying to weed out the bludgers from the people that actually need and deserve assistance

Making it a feature of a party's campaigning is really sad - considering how badly the country needs aspirational policy.

 

[John Nick]

Disagree.

We will be better under National than this version of Labour who operate from fairy land.

Not perfect but 100% better than the failure of Labour.

Tell me that in 2 years time.
You always find something to criticise.
Unless of course your bias is charitable

 

[Rick O’Shay]

As much as National/Act/ NZ First are a bunch of Looney Tunes, I can't recall the Red team ever campaigning on any of their successes. No wonder they are struggling.

Seems to have been a totally negative campaign all round

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Tell me that in 2 years time.
You always find something to criticise.
Unless of course your bias is charitable

I was very critical of National under Collins.

I call it as I see it. I won’t be voting for National but I hope they get in as Labour has moved way to far from the centre.

 

[John Nick]

I was very critical of National under Collins.

I call it as I see it. I won’t be voting for National but I hope they get in as Labour has moved way to far from the centre.

Interesting voting strategy

 

[miket12]

Luxon would benefit though because interest deductibility will bring a people back to hoarding property and send prices up.
A Core Logic rep on RNZ Morning Report was saying it had cooling effect on certain parts of the housing market.

The argument is he would benefit financially because he would be able to claim personally the interest deductibility….. which is impossible because none of his properties have mortgages on them.

 

[Worried2Death]

Nats are neck and neck with Other in the poll here. Who's that again, TOP and the Prophet Tamaki?

 

[snake77]

Interesting voting strategy

I get where you are coming from. It isn't uncommon in an MMP system for people to vote for a potential coalition partner.

My guess would be he voted for ACT either to as he prefers their policies or wanted to be strategic. For the local MP it could just be he didn't like the National candidate. You have said yourself the local National MP isn't the best individual. From what I've seen myself when he's been in the news I wouldn't vote for him.

We have been in an MMP system for over 20 years now. A lot of people probably haven't moved to strategic voting, instead sticking to the two main parties. I wouldn't be surprised if younger voters go for the minor parties more due to 1-2 appealing policies.