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Damn right. The professional managerial class have thrown us old apparatchiks onto the scrap heap.

Luckily, I had a successful plan B, being a boomer.
Plan B, be born at the right time.

Capitalism works as a philosophy, albeit probably inherently unfair to the workers who's only capital is their labour, but the world's not fair, never was.

Anyway, we're apparently in late-stage capitalism now and we'll see what happens next. As Marx predicted, mega-corprorations owned by the 0.01% are fast accumulating all the capital assets, eventually leaving no opportunity for the average man to accumulate capital via the likes of small business and private enterprise. What happens then? Plan C, revolution of the proletariat again.

It's all so tiresome Rick.
 
Plan B, be born at the right time.

Capitalism works as a philosophy, albeit probably inherently unfair to the workers who's only capital is their labour, but the world's not fair, never was.

Anyway, we're apparently in late-stage capitalism now and we'll see what happens next. As Marx predicted, mega-corprorations owned by the 0.01% are fast accumulating all the capital assets, eventually leaving no opportunity for the average man to accumulate capital via the likes of small business and private enterprise. What happens then? Plan C, revolution of the proletariat again.

It's all so tiresome Rick.
Funny thing about Marx, so very right in his criticism, so very wrong about how to fix it.
 
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What's going on here, is she trying to help hardcore smokers switch to vaping tobacco or is it another cunning plan by the tobacco lobby to sell more product?

Bought and paid for by the tobacco industry, part of a government in thrall to their monied lobby groups. Of the rich, by the rich, for the rich. Rotten to the core.
 
Westpac and ANZ have now been joined by KiwiBank and BNZ with drops in their mortgage rates. The more this happens, the greater the pressure on the RBNZ to drop the OCR sooner rather than latter.
 
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Part of the far right in this government
Mate, do you know anything about the firearm laws in this country?

Exactly what laws will the govt unwind ? What a puff piece. And the gun registry is a joke. I expect all the mob and illegal owners will front up and register for a bucket of chicken.

As I've said many times on this thread and to repeat for those hard of hearing, you can still have a military style semi auto rifle in NZ as long as it is RIMFIRE. Centre fire no no no.

Range is the key, with most shootings we hear about being much less than 100m.

Now, If I'm choosing with which cartridge I should be shot, does it matter?

 
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Westpac and ANZ have now been joined by KiwiBank and BNZ with drops in their mortgage rates. The more this happens, the greater the pressure on the RBNZ to drop the OCR sooner rather than latter.
I don't get why the rbnz would care if the banks put their rates down? If they are worried about inflation being high wouldn't it make them go the other way
 
I don't get why the rbnz would care if the banks put their rates down? If they are worried about inflation being high wouldn't it make them go the other way
Banks are struggling issuing new loans at the moment so they’re trying to entice new customers by reducing their margins because, although the OCR hasn’t moved, the wholesale rates they borrow some of their money from has dropped.

After the GFC in the late 2000’s, the first drop in the 2 year mortgage rates occurred in March 2008 while the RBNZ waited until July of 2008 to drop the OCR. The trading banks move first because the RBNZ always has a far more conservative approach as the trading banks are concerned about market share and profit while the RB has a mandate to keep inflation within the 1-3% PA band. The trading banks look at inflation trends while the RBNZ looks at data showing a period on inflation within it’s band.

Allan Bollard, governor of the Reserve Bank from 2002 to 2012 was quicker at moving the OCR downwards than Orr was. Orr waited until May 2015 to allow the OCR to drop even though inflation dropped in the final quarter of 2014 and the banks dropped their interest rates in February of 2015.

Bollard started to drop the OCR within 6 months of inflation dropping after the GFC while, if Orr waits until at least November, that is 24 months from when inflation was at its peak in November 2022. History will show he was to slow in raising the OCR and now too slow in reducing it….. and, as a reward, GrantR extended his contract.
 
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I don't get why the rbnz would care if the banks put their rates down? If they are worried about inflation being high wouldn't it make them go the other way

Fixed rates of 5%? The case for interest rates to fall hard and fall fast is growing​

Pressure on the Reserve Bank is growing.

New data out last week showed that the annual rate of inflation in the second quarter of this year fell to 3.3%, from 4% in the previous quarter and a post-Covid peak of 7.3% two years ago.

That’s good news for Kiwis who have been squeezed by the cost of living crisis and successive rises in interest rates. The fact that the second quarter inflation results were better than the Reserve Bank had expected will fuel calls for a few quick interest rate cuts.

Anticipation of a cut to the Official Cash Rate is already at elevated levels. Wholesale interest rates – a good proxy for how much it costs banks to lend you money for a mortgage – plunged after the Reserve Bank’s encouraging OCR announcement at the start of the month.

The one-year swap rate has dropped to its lowest point since October 2022, and the major banks are passing on the savings. ANZ cut its one-year fixed rate to 6.85% while Westpac cut its one-year rate to 6.89% – its fourth cut to the one-year rate since February.

Lower rates are available when you eventually sign on the dotted line, with some mortgage brokers getting 6.72% for their clients. That’s a weekly saving of $52 on a $500,000 mortgage compared to the peak interest rates at the start of the year.

Further rate relief is on the cards, but how quickly will rates tumble?

ANZ’s latest forecasts suggest that the one-year fixed rate could drop to 5.7% by June 2025.

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As we’ve seen this week, we don’t need an OCR cut for mortgage interest rates to start coming down. The mere expectation of near-term OCR cuts is enough to start the decline.

However, for ANZ’s forecast to come true, the Reserve Bank will have to start cutting sooner rather than later. There are three more OCR announcements this year, and most economists are picking the last one, on November 27, as the date of the first cut.

The date of the first cut depends on inflation. The reason the Reserve Bank raised interest rates was runaway inflation post-Covid. And while the latest results are close to the Reserve Bank’s target range of 1-3%, the Reserve Bank is concerned about “sticky inflation”.

Last month, the Reserve Bank’s chief economist Paul Conway warned that there were reasons “to think that inflation may be more persistent than in our current projections in the near term. In other words, more ‘sticky’. Most notably, domestic, or non-tradables inflation, and services sector inflation have held up more than initially projected”.

But he also added that there were “also some reasons to think that inflation could fall more quickly than expected over the medium term. For example, increasing spare capacity in product and labour markets could translate into lower inflation more quickly than currently expected”.

Most economists expect headline inflation will return to the Reserve Bank’s target band by September, with third quarter inflation figures, released on October 17, likely to prove crucial.

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This is why you can expect the Reserve Bank to be cautious. We can’t borrow like it’s 2021, when interest rates had a “two” or a “three” in front of them. Those days may never come back. But within a year or two, interest rates should have a “five” in front of them and those excruciatingly high interest rates of the last two years could be a distant memory.

- Ed McKnight is the resident economist at property investment company Opes Partners
 
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Why Aussie house prices hit a new high (and NZ’s housing market is in a slump)​

Australia has enjoyed 18 solid months of price growth.

June was a bad month for the New Zealand housing market. The nationwide median sale price was down 1.3% year-on-year, while house sales were down 25.6% over the same period.

In fact, according to data from the Real Estate Institute of New Zealand, it was the worst sales count for a June month since 2008 (and in Auckland, it was the worst June since records began).

Across the ditch, house prices were on the rise. Data from listings website realestate.com.au showed a 6.55% annual lift in Australia’s median property value. The site’s senior economist said prices for June were a new peak and followed 18 consecutive months of growth.

So why is Australia’s housing market glistening and New Zealand’s gloomy?

The answer seems to be supply and demand. In New Zealand, the market was flooded with listings at the start of the year, turning a nascent seller’s market into a full-blown buyer’s market. In Australia, stock levels have grown but not enough to meet demand, with realestate.com.au citing strong population growth, a tight rental market and a “chronic shortage of housing being exacerbated by a lack of new construction” as contributing factors.

House prices in Australia and New Zealand were on a similar trajectory immediately after Covid hit, when low interest rates fuelled a buying frenzy and FOMO (fear of missing out) reigned supreme.

Both countries also suffered a housing market slump as central banks raised interest rates hard and fast in response to rising inflation. But the countries’ paths diverged at the start of the year.

Experts told OneRoof that confidence in the Australian economy has made a difference. “I’m not seeing a lot of Australian news about government cutbacks or public sector cutbacks,” said Wayne Shum, senior research analyst at OneRoof’s data partner, Valocity.

Australia has also continued to experience strong net migration, whereas new arrivals to New Zealand have waned in recent months.

Matt Grudnoff, senior economist for independent thinktank The Australia Institute, based in Canberra, said unemployment in Australia was still low but pointed to another key difference as to why Australian house prices were growing – active investors fuelled by tax breaks.

“What is driving Australia’s housing market is a combination of a number of tax concessions, which make investing in housing quite lucrative.”

Australia has a capital gains tax and a capital gains tax discount. While owner-occupiers were not liable for the tax, investors were but they got a discount, which meant if they bought a house for $500,000 and sold it for $700,000 the tax office ignored half the gain.

“Of that $200,000 gain you only get taxed on $100,000. The other $100,000 is entirely tax-free.”

The capital gains tax discount applied to all assets, not just housing, but had been particularly used for housing, Grudnoff said. “You’ve got to own the asset for more than 12 months but when it comes to housing obviously that’s pretty common,” he said.

“What we’re seeing in Australia is house prices go up quite dramatically and as they’ve gone up that’s attracted more and more people who are investing in housing, because rather than investing in it to make the best rental return, if you like, they are actually mostly interested in the price going up, because that’s where you make most of the gain.”

That was combined with a “real drop off over decades” in investment in public housing by Australian governments, which had also driven the Australian housing market because it effectively meant less housing coming onto the market.

“In Australia, housing developers tend to release housing bit by bit when it’s most profitable to do so, whereas if you go back several decades when the Government was building at a steady constant rate that was just adding to supply in the market which was effectively putting a limit on how quickly house prices could rise, and, also, more importantly, how quickly rents could rise.”

A lot of the investors buying already owned a number of properties and came with capital so found it easier to borrow money. “They’re quite good at basically out-bidding first-home buyers or owner-occupiers and that’s basically forcing them out of the market,” Grudnoff said.

While New Zealand was seeing steady reports of Kiwis quitting New Zealand for Australia, they would be casualties of a tough housing market there, too, Grudnoff said, and the outcry from the younger generation being locked out of the market was rising along with house prices, and rents.

“We see quite an age differentiation between who’s being hit by the latest spike in inflation and that’s actually a housing split, so we’ve seen rents rise dramatically and people with large mortgages, usually younger people who have just bought into the market, have also been hit hard.”

Older people had not been hit as hard and were continuing to invest – and Grudnoff was not pointing the finger at baby boomers when he said older people. “I’m Generation X. We like blaming the boomers because it avoids us but to be honest the boomers are mostly retiring so increasingly it’s people in their late 40s, 50s and 60s.”

Grudnoff was not expecting Australia’s housing market to follow New Zealand’s into another slump. “I think there's a general feeling that Australian house prices don’t go down a lot,” he said.

“It will be interesting to see what happens but even with interest rates probably kind of at their peak at the moment, we’re still seeing house prices increase.”

Asked what would happen when Australia’s Reserve Bank cut the country’s cash rate, Grudnoff said he assumed house prices would begin to rise more rapidly because that was what usually happened.

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None of the major political parties had put up any real solutions: “They’ve been mostly piecemeal. They’ve been either tiny or they’ve actually been things in the past that have made housing affordability worse,” he said.

Vanessa Rader, head of research for Ray White, said there was a mismatch in Australia between limited new supply due to high cost of construction and the difficult labour market, with continued growth in population resulting in record high rents, low vacancies and median prices growing across each state.

“Limited listings fueling FOMO despite high interest rates as buyers look to secure accommodation as despite increased cost of living, low unemployment is keeping sentiment strong.”

She said one of the main differences between the two countries was the level of available stock, saying with listing numbers high across New Zealand rents had softened and buyers had choice, which allowed them to negotiate prices down. “Sentiment is down across New Zealand given high inflation and interest rates, also an uncertain labour market, making decision-making difficult for would-be buyers.”

A reduction in the cost of finance would do much to stimulate activity again, she said.

She saw the change in movement in interest rates as an influencing factor in the divergence of the trajectories. New Zealand moved first in increasing interest rates and further rate rises knocked market confidence. “This really stopped activity, with buyers opting for a wait-and-see approach to their next decision.”

But the next interest rate move for New Zealand was likely to be downward and that would improve confidence in the economy and sentiment would shift resulting in an increase in activity which would have a positive impact on prices.

In New Zealand, CoreLogic chief economist Kelvin Davidson said the markets in each country did have similarities in that while mortgage rate levels might be different they were still high.

“Housing affordability is still stretched here, and it’s still stretched there,” he said.

Australia might be on the cusp of a downturn, too. “Who knows what might happen next month?”

Davidson, too, spoke of labour market factors with the Australian labour market holding up but New Zealand’s weakening one high in the public perception.

“We’re seeing some job losses; we’re seeing job security go down. Even if you haven’t lost your job you’re probably still not feeling as secure as you once were, so I think that is where you start to see a bit of a difference.”

Shum also said mindset was an important factor in the housing market: “Property is all about confidence. If you think we’re not bouncing back anytime soon that spreads around.”


Interesting that we are repeatedly told that a CGT would keep down house values in NZ, yet Australia is experiencing huge growth in their values despite having one while NZ's house values over the entire country are still in decline. So much for the new government in NZ being in the pocket of property owners (especially landlords).... perhaps if they were, they would introduce a CGT here so NZ landlords can experience that sort of growth too!!!
 

Why Aussie house prices hit a new high (and NZ’s housing market is in a slump)​

Australia has enjoyed 18 solid months of price growth.

June was a bad month for the New Zealand housing market. The nationwide median sale price was down 1.3% year-on-year, while house sales were down 25.6% over the same period.

In fact, according to data from the Real Estate Institute of New Zealand, it was the worst sales count for a June month since 2008 (and in Auckland, it was the worst June since records began).

Across the ditch, house prices were on the rise. Data from listings website realestate.com.au showed a 6.55% annual lift in Australia’s median property value. The site’s senior economist said prices for June were a new peak and followed 18 consecutive months of growth.

So why is Australia’s housing market glistening and New Zealand’s gloomy?

The answer seems to be supply and demand. In New Zealand, the market was flooded with listings at the start of the year, turning a nascent seller’s market into a full-blown buyer’s market. In Australia, stock levels have grown but not enough to meet demand, with realestate.com.au citing strong population growth, a tight rental market and a “chronic shortage of housing being exacerbated by a lack of new construction” as contributing factors.

House prices in Australia and New Zealand were on a similar trajectory immediately after Covid hit, when low interest rates fuelled a buying frenzy and FOMO (fear of missing out) reigned supreme.

Both countries also suffered a housing market slump as central banks raised interest rates hard and fast in response to rising inflation. But the countries’ paths diverged at the start of the year.

Experts told OneRoof that confidence in the Australian economy has made a difference. “I’m not seeing a lot of Australian news about government cutbacks or public sector cutbacks,” said Wayne Shum, senior research analyst at OneRoof’s data partner, Valocity.

Australia has also continued to experience strong net migration, whereas new arrivals to New Zealand have waned in recent months.

Matt Grudnoff, senior economist for independent thinktank The Australia Institute, based in Canberra, said unemployment in Australia was still low but pointed to another key difference as to why Australian house prices were growing – active investors fuelled by tax breaks.

“What is driving Australia’s housing market is a combination of a number of tax concessions, which make investing in housing quite lucrative.”

Australia has a capital gains tax and a capital gains tax discount. While owner-occupiers were not liable for the tax, investors were but they got a discount, which meant if they bought a house for $500,000 and sold it for $700,000 the tax office ignored half the gain.

“Of that $200,000 gain you only get taxed on $100,000. The other $100,000 is entirely tax-free.”

The capital gains tax discount applied to all assets, not just housing, but had been particularly used for housing, Grudnoff said. “You’ve got to own the asset for more than 12 months but when it comes to housing obviously that’s pretty common,” he said.

“What we’re seeing in Australia is house prices go up quite dramatically and as they’ve gone up that’s attracted more and more people who are investing in housing, because rather than investing in it to make the best rental return, if you like, they are actually mostly interested in the price going up, because that’s where you make most of the gain.”

That was combined with a “real drop off over decades” in investment in public housing by Australian governments, which had also driven the Australian housing market because it effectively meant less housing coming onto the market.

“In Australia, housing developers tend to release housing bit by bit when it’s most profitable to do so, whereas if you go back several decades when the Government was building at a steady constant rate that was just adding to supply in the market which was effectively putting a limit on how quickly house prices could rise, and, also, more importantly, how quickly rents could rise.”

A lot of the investors buying already owned a number of properties and came with capital so found it easier to borrow money. “They’re quite good at basically out-bidding first-home buyers or owner-occupiers and that’s basically forcing them out of the market,” Grudnoff said.

While New Zealand was seeing steady reports of Kiwis quitting New Zealand for Australia, they would be casualties of a tough housing market there, too, Grudnoff said, and the outcry from the younger generation being locked out of the market was rising along with house prices, and rents.

“We see quite an age differentiation between who’s being hit by the latest spike in inflation and that’s actually a housing split, so we’ve seen rents rise dramatically and people with large mortgages, usually younger people who have just bought into the market, have also been hit hard.”

Older people had not been hit as hard and were continuing to invest – and Grudnoff was not pointing the finger at baby boomers when he said older people. “I’m Generation X. We like blaming the boomers because it avoids us but to be honest the boomers are mostly retiring so increasingly it’s people in their late 40s, 50s and 60s.”

Grudnoff was not expecting Australia’s housing market to follow New Zealand’s into another slump. “I think there's a general feeling that Australian house prices don’t go down a lot,” he said.

“It will be interesting to see what happens but even with interest rates probably kind of at their peak at the moment, we’re still seeing house prices increase.”

Asked what would happen when Australia’s Reserve Bank cut the country’s cash rate, Grudnoff said he assumed house prices would begin to rise more rapidly because that was what usually happened.

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None of the major political parties had put up any real solutions: “They’ve been mostly piecemeal. They’ve been either tiny or they’ve actually been things in the past that have made housing affordability worse,” he said.

Vanessa Rader, head of research for Ray White, said there was a mismatch in Australia between limited new supply due to high cost of construction and the difficult labour market, with continued growth in population resulting in record high rents, low vacancies and median prices growing across each state.

“Limited listings fueling FOMO despite high interest rates as buyers look to secure accommodation as despite increased cost of living, low unemployment is keeping sentiment strong.”

She said one of the main differences between the two countries was the level of available stock, saying with listing numbers high across New Zealand rents had softened and buyers had choice, which allowed them to negotiate prices down. “Sentiment is down across New Zealand given high inflation and interest rates, also an uncertain labour market, making decision-making difficult for would-be buyers.”

A reduction in the cost of finance would do much to stimulate activity again, she said.

She saw the change in movement in interest rates as an influencing factor in the divergence of the trajectories. New Zealand moved first in increasing interest rates and further rate rises knocked market confidence. “This really stopped activity, with buyers opting for a wait-and-see approach to their next decision.”

But the next interest rate move for New Zealand was likely to be downward and that would improve confidence in the economy and sentiment would shift resulting in an increase in activity which would have a positive impact on prices.

In New Zealand, CoreLogic chief economist Kelvin Davidson said the markets in each country did have similarities in that while mortgage rate levels might be different they were still high.

“Housing affordability is still stretched here, and it’s still stretched there,” he said.

Australia might be on the cusp of a downturn, too. “Who knows what might happen next month?”

Davidson, too, spoke of labour market factors with the Australian labour market holding up but New Zealand’s weakening one high in the public perception.

“We’re seeing some job losses; we’re seeing job security go down. Even if you haven’t lost your job you’re probably still not feeling as secure as you once were, so I think that is where you start to see a bit of a difference.”

Shum also said mindset was an important factor in the housing market: “Property is all about confidence. If you think we’re not bouncing back anytime soon that spreads around.”


Interesting that we are repeatedly told that a CGT would keep down house values in NZ, yet Australia is experiencing huge growth in their values despite having one while NZ's house values over the entire country are still in decline. So much for the new government in NZ being in the pocket of property owners (especially landlords).... perhaps if they were, they would introduce a CGT here so NZ landlords can experience that sort of growth too!!!
Great, let's do it Mike. Given those in protest against it on these forums I'd say it's a good idea.
 
And how about appointing Lester Levy to strip over a billion dollars out of the health system, a system that is utterly broken by 45 years of neoliberalist policies, while at the same time proceeding with a tax cut WE CAN'T AFFORD for the wealthy.

Nice one National, Act and Nz First - lining your donor's pockets above everyone else.
 
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And how about appointing Lester Levy to strip over a billion dollars out of the health system
Uhhh…. It’s not stripping a billion out of the health system - the health system is out of control, spending a billion more than the massively increased budget National just gave it.

Funny how adding 2,500 extra middle managers hasn’t helped and only blown the budget. Hopefully these changes strip the layers out and put more at the front line.

Health just seems to be generally unfixable across multiple govts - centralising it certainly didn’t help. Does it ever (polytechs, Auckland super city)?
 
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