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[MaybeTop8]

Textbook privatisation scam under way - https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/35...d-interislander-issues-set-become-more-common

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Textbook privatisation scam under way - https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/35...d-interislander-issues-set-become-more-common

Sail Blueridge mate, they get the job done.

 

[miket12]

Textbook privatisation scam under way - https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/35...d-interislander-issues-set-become-more-common

Did you actually read the article where they’ve said they are looking at replacing the ferries and have set aside money for that purpos?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Did you actually read the article where they’ve said they are looking at replacing the ferries and have set aside money for that purpos?

Yes.

"One glaring issue with KiwiRail’s $2.6b iRex request was that Strait NZ manages to run the Blue Bridge as a private business. Brown has asked for specific advice about whether there is “market failure” on the Cook Strait, and if Strait NZ or other companies could fill any gap in the event KiwiRail withdraws.

That appears to be a real option. For more than a year, official advice has stated that KiwiRail - if it didn’t get the more than $2billion it wanted to build larger ports - would no longer see the Interislander as a commercially viable business.

“KiwiRail has indicated that if Ministers do not provide funding in full, it may look to exit the InterIslander business altogether,” said Treasury officials in May last year."

 

[miket12]

Yes.

"One glaring issue with KiwiRail’s $2.6b iRex request was that Strait NZ manages to run the Blue Bridge as a private business. Brown has asked for specific advice about whether there is “market failure” on the Cook Strait, and if Strait NZ or other companies could fill any gap in the event KiwiRail withdraws.

That appears to be a real option. For more than a year, official advice has stated that KiwiRail - if it didn’t get the more than $2billion it wanted to build larger ports - would no longer see the Interislander as a commercially viable business.

“KiwiRail has indicated that if Ministers do not provide funding in full, it may look to exit the InterIslander business altogether,” said Treasury officials in May last year."

Yet you ignored the governments response…..

Luxon and Brown appeared to rule out letting KiwiRail exit the Cook Strait, in their comments over the weekend. That would mean they would need to front up with taxpayer cash. Luxon said he would have “a lot more to say” about that soon.

Then, in a news conference this afternoon, the PM confirmed that the government would fund new ferries.

Actually, I thought you would be more concerned about if the parties on the right had received donations from drug companies because of the extra funding to Pharmac announced today.

 

[Noitall]

Yet you ignored the governments response…..

Luxon and Brown appeared to rule out letting KiwiRail exit the Cook Strait, in their comments over the weekend. That would mean they would need to front up with taxpayer cash. Luxon said he would have “a lot more to say” about that soon.

Then, in a news conference this afternoon, the PM confirmed that the government would fund new ferries.

Actually, I thought you would be more concerned about if the parties on the right had received donations from drug companies because of the extra funding to Pharmac.

Just unfortunate that it’s 3 years later than it otherwise would have been, which as indications have shown just recently that might not be feasible, not to mention wasted money in the charges incurred for scrapping the existing deal

 

[John Nick]

Just unfortunate that it’s 3 years later than it otherwise would have been, which as indications have shown just recently that might not be feasible, not to mention wasted money in the charges incurred for scrapping the existing deal

Not to mention the reluctance of Ship Building companies around the world to consider any future proposal to build ships for NZ after the recent cancelation.

 

[miket12]

Just unfortunate that it’s 3 years later than it otherwise would have been, which as indications have shown just recently that might not be feasible, not to mention wasted money in the charges incurred for scrapping the existing deal

What do you consider was more financially prudent? Labour continuing with the program after they’d found out the significant cost overruns or the current government stopping the program when made arrear off them?

IMO, it’s a pity Labour didn’t call for alternatives when Cabinet first became arrear of the blowouts.

 

[Noitall]

What do you consider was more financially prudent? Labour continuing with the program after they’d found out the significant cost overruns or the current government stopping the program when made arrear off them?

IMO, it’s a pity Labour didn’t call for alternatives when Cabinet first became arrear of the blowouts.

Guess we won’t know until what will certainly be extra costs involved in the building of the proposed boats as you well know will be involved with the industry you’re in coupled with the costs of penalties for scrapping the deals and whether they fall under what was already in the pipeline?

 

[miket12]

Guess we won’t know until what will certainly be extra costs involved in the building of the proposed boats as you well know will be involved with the industry you’re in coupled with the costs of penalties for scrapping the deals and whether they fall under what was already in the pipeline?

And I wonder how much less those penalties would have been if Labour had pulled the plug earlier.

 

[Noitall]

And I wonder how much less those penalties would have been if Labour had pulled the plug earlier.

Not sure Mike. Your old neighbour might know

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Luxon and Brown appeared to rule out letting KiwiRail exit the Cook Strait, in their comments over the weekend.

Amazing how Bluebridge can operate for 20 years without incident and not requiring any govt funding.

Shut kiwirails ferries down and privatise it!

Sorry MaybeTop8, the ineptitude of the govt running public infrastructure has been exposed! Worse service (crashing ferries) at higher cost.

 

[John Nick]

And I wonder how much less those penalties would have been if Labour had pulled the plug earlier.

Who is going to get involved with new vessel builds after this fiasco.
The vessels are of huge importance to industry in NZ.
Not only the ships but ocean going tugs.
A lot has been said and proposed/suggested since the events of Friday night incident in Picton.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Who is going to get involved with new vessel builds after this fiasco.
The vessels are of huge importance to industry in NZ.
Not only the ships but ocean going tugs.
A lot has been said and proposed/suggested since the events of Friday night incident in Picton.

Wont be an issue.

The govt will pay penalties so the boat builders will not be out of pocket. A govt entity is still preferable to private businesses for boat builders.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Amazing how Bluebridge can operate for 20 years without incident and not requiring any govt funding.

Shut kiwirails ferries down and privatise it!

Sorry MaybeTop8, the ineptitude of the govt running public infrastructure has been exposed! Worse service (crashing ferries) at higher cost.

Gee, and maybe that was the plan the whole time. Neoliberal economics 101. Run something down, manufacture a crisis, sell it off and blame government. Then privatise the profit, and push the expense to the public.

 

[John Nick]

Wont be an issue.

The govt will pay penalties so the boat builders will not be out of pocket. A govt entity is still preferable to private businesses for boat builders.

Major/reputable ship builders around the world will rather deal with other countries rather than us.
We will be left with less reliable builders.
Tugs are another issue.
The weekend has proved that.
We are lucky the incident was in sheltered waters

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Gee, and maybe that was the plan the whole time. Neoliberal economics 101. Run something down, manufacture a crisis, sell it off and blame government

Who’s run it down? Bluebridge can operate successfully just on fares plus make a profit, plus not crash their ferries.

Why can’t kiwirail run ferries self funding, paying for any new ferries without govt funding (like Bluebridge does) and pay for maintenance? Why is it running down? A govt run rail operator trying to do a job that a specialised ferry operator can do much better.

Doesn’t stack up with your neoliberal argument unfortunately.

Who’s selling it off? The govt is going to continue to fund it, which to me seems daft when kiwirail is worse and more expensive, but I can understand for the resilience factor.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Who’s run it down? Bluebridge can operate successfully just on fares plus make a profit, plus not crash their ferries.

Why can’t kiwirail run ferries self funding, paying for any new ferries without govt funding (like Bluebridge does) and pay for maintenance? Why is it running down? A govt run rail operator trying to do a job that a specialised ferry operator can do much better.

Doesn’t stack up with your neoliberal argument unfortunately.

Who’s selling it off? The govt is going to continue to fund it, which to me seems daft when kiwirail is worse and more expensive, but I can understand for the resilience factor.

Who's run it down? The fucking government.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Honestly, you lot on the right here have a deliberate ignorance of the last 45 years of politics and the dominant political ideology in this country. I might not have mentioned it before - it's called NEOLIBERALISM.

 

[marv.]

Honestly, you lot on the right here have a deliberate ignorance of the last 45 years of politics and the dominant political ideology in this country. I might not have mentioned it before - it's called NEOLIBERALISM.

damn dude.
not only do you have a raging hard on for a left that doesn’t even exist in this country. i think they’ve also given you stockholm syndrome.

you’re the perfect blind and unswayable voter.