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[Noitall]

Or the fact they can be bought off.

I f***ing hate conspiracy theories and how odinary people and others go down rabbit holes they can't get out of - however, if you ask the right questions without the noise there are some doozie manouevres in plain sight.
Ask yourself who benefits the most if Auckland doesn't have a public transport system?

Stuff

www.newshub.co.nz

Jeez you might be right.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Stuff

www.newshub.co.nz

Jeez you might be right.

Cost recovery, no conspiracy.

 

[Noitall]

Cost recovery, no conspiracy.

Think it was left where it was to try and promote the use of public transport. Not sure putting the price up is going to have that effect. Becoming easier to see where the money for tax cuts is coming. From ourselves.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Think it was left where it was to try and promote the use of public transport. Not sure putting the price up is going to have that effect. Becoming easier to see where the money for tax cuts is coming. From ourselves.

No you are jumping at shadows. It’s simply that costs have been going up with inflation and eventually prices need to increase to offset. There’s no story here.

 

[Noitall]

No you are jumping at shadows. It’s simply that costs have been going up with inflation and eventually prices need to increase to offset. There’s no story here.

Costs have been going up for some time and remained the same. Petrol fluctuations, inflation etc.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Costs have been going up for some time and remained the same. Petrol fluctuations, inflation etc.

Yes but you can’t leave prices unchanged forever. There comes a point where they have to start lifting again. If the diesel price were to collapse then sure there might be scope to drop prices for customers, however that hasn’t happened yet and remains well above pre-Covid levels.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Costs have been going up for some time and remained the same. Petrol fluctuations, inflation etc.

Bus drivers can’t go up 30% in the last few years and prices never go up - it has just demanded more and more subsidy.

Costs eventually need to be passed on (unless you can can be more productive)

 

[MaybeTop8]

An added piece of context for the golriz saga - the original blogger who leaked all this information has close

Bus drivers can’t go up 30% in the last few years and prices never go up - it has just demanded more and more subsidy.

Costs eventually need to be passed on (unless you can can be more productive)

Maybe their wages were 30% below where they should be because of greedy corporates who took advantage of privatisation.

 

[Noitall]

Yes but you can’t leave prices unchanged forever. There comes a point where they have to start lifting again. If the diesel price were to collapse then sure there might be scope to drop prices for customers, however that hasn’t happened yet and remains well above pre-Covid levels.

Bus drivers can’t go up 30% in the last few years and prices never go up - it has just demanded more and more subsidy.

Costs eventually need to be passed on (unless you can can be more productive)

All these things were factors under the previous government and managed to be worked around in order for the promotion of public transport use. Would have thought the goal would be to continue to promote public transport rather than deter it for the same goal previously to take cars off the road to lessen congestion.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

All these things were factors under the previous government and managed to be worked around in order for the promotion of public transport use. Would have thought the goal would be to continue to promote public transport rather than deter it for the same goal previously to take cars off the road to lessen congestion.

How do you suppose the previous government managed to ‘work around’ the cost inflation? You can’t keep running everything in an unsustainable way.

 

[Noitall]

How do you suppose the previous government managed to ‘work around’ the cost inflation? You can’t keep running everything in an unsustainable way.

Politicians are voted in manage such decisions of what money goes where and for what reasons. What’s the plan from here on out to promote lessening congestion when in the last day a rail project is scrapped and public transport prices hiked?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Politicians are voted in manage such decisions of what money goes where and for what reasons. What’s the plan from here on out to promote lessening congestion when in the last day a rail project is scrapped and public transport prices hiked?

But what is the full picture? How about the hike in KiwiRail pricing over the last 12 months? Where were the squeals of discontent when KiwiRail hiked pricing more than 30% for some customers? Isn’t rail more carbon efficient than road? How could it be that KiwiRail, while overseen by a Labour government with a sympathetic ear to our so-called environmentally friendly Greens party, see fit to lift prices, in one hit last February, by 26% for the key Metroport freight rail service between Tauranga & South Auckland? If you choose to be balanced then there’s 2 sides to every story.

 

[Noitall]

But what is the full picture? How about the hike in KiwiRail pricing over the last 12 months? Where were the squeals of discontent when KiwiRail hiked pricing more than 30% for some customers? Isn’t rail more carbon efficient than road? How could it be that KiwiRail, while overseen by a Labour government with a sympathetic ear to our so-called environmentally friendly Greens party, see fit to lift prices, in one hit last February, by 26% for the key Metroport freight rail service between Tauranga & South Auckland? If you choose to be balanced then there’s 2 sides to every story.

Kiwi rail goes further than public transport though with the likes of freight involved also. It’s the side of public transport we’re talking about and plans to minimise congestion.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Kiwi rail goes further than public transport though with the likes of freight involved also. It’s the side of public transport we’re talking about and plans to minimise congestion.

Congestion for freight vs congestion for commuters. Carbon emission output of freight vs carbon emission output of commuters. Pick your poison I reckon.

 

[Noitall]

Congestion for freight vs congestion for commuters. Carbon emission output of freight vs carbon emission output of commuters. Pick your poison I reckon.

Are we talking about the cleanliness of rail and transport as opposed to the public transport aspect of rail and transport? Would be a matter of physics that 50 people catching a train to one destination as opposed to 50 people driving 50 cars to that destination would be cleaner if so.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Maybe their wages were 30% below where they should be because of greedy corporates who took advantage of privatisation.

I’m not arguing that. Whatever the real cost is though, needs to be paid for under user pays?

Real efficiencies will be if technology delivers driverless public transport. Real lower cost for users rather than hiding the true cost through subsidies.

 

[John Nick]

Politicians are voted in manage such decisions of what money goes where and for what reasons. What’s the plan from here on out to promote lessening congestion when in the last day a rail project is scrapped and public transport prices hiked?

My question is as the announcement was made on a Sunday are these politicians already back at work or was this saved up to coincide with the wedding.
Don't tell me they're back at work already

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Are we talking about the cleanliness of rail and transport as opposed to the public transport aspect of rail and transport? Would be a matter of physics that 50 people catching a train to one destination as opposed to 50 people driving 50 cars to that destination would be cleaner if so.

Nah, my point is really just that there’s no consistency in judging one government decision to the next, and Labour’s stewardship can be perceived just as negatively (or worse) in its impact on all of us as anything National has thrown up so far. Who ultimately pays for the significant lift in KiwiRail pricing? NZ consumers and manufacturers. Was this a good outcome when we are in the middle of a cost of living crisis? No. Does it directly contribute to higher inflation? Yes. But was it required in order to offset escalating operating costs? Probably.

Rather than look for the negative, or worse the conspiracy in everything the new government is doing, Id love for some of you to see things just a bit more balanced. Sadly I don’t think some are capable.

 

[Noitall]

Rather than look for the negative, or worse the conspiracy in everything the new government is doing, Id love for some of you to see things just a bit more balanced. Sadly I don’t think some are capable

Can’t see how you could see anything positive in this particular decision for multiple reasons such as a congestion aspect through to a people’s stretched budgets who rely on public transport being further stretched. For a party who ran an election on easing the cost of living on middle and lower incomes, they aren’t doing a good so far.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Can’t see how you could see anything positive in this particular decision for multiple reasons such as a congestion aspect through to a people’s stretched budgets who rely on public transport being further stretched. For a party who ran an election on easing the cost of living on middle and lower incomes, they aren’t doing a good so far.

You are completely missing my point.