TeamList Warriors vs Dolphins - [Round 12, 2024]

[Lets Eat (YeahNah)]

Are you able to share a little more of what you're seeing, as so far I haven't seen a heck of a lot.

Of course he's still young and there's plenty of potential there, but for me he's only really doing the basics well, which is what you would expect of any young player.
He's making his tackles, keeping with the pace of the game (mostly) and has minimal errors or penalties.

The first game he came on he looked quite powerful with a few strong runs. The game against the Titans he looked like he was injured and didn't get involved much, and this last game against Penny he looked solid.

But, so far for me there's no exciting play - very few attacking stats and no 'high footy iq' that gets me excited.

This isnt me saying I think he's shit, of even a poor player. Just wondering what I've been missing

I don’t think you are missing anything and you have some awesome RL and Warrior grade knowledge.

But for me, warriors have always been chumps at blooding in the youth into our top grade.

Totes acknowledge Covid years and pathway issues, but look at broncos, panthers, green machine, youth policy.

(Canberra is in progress for sure) but that adds another element to attack which youth and energy bring that the old work houses lose over time.

Add mongrel, enthusiasm, defence and your whole squad can light up.

We either invest in youth and run the gauntlet or kiss these boys goodbye.

With the season the way it is in 24, seems like the perfect time to release the hounds.

 

[CWC]

It's interesting, there are bits and pieces dripping out that Webby hasn't been happy with what we were doing.

It would support what a lot of posters believe that the game plan is ok but the execution has been crap.

Some of Barnett's post match words were similar to that degree. Other than more offloading, there wasn't too much difference in game plan for the most part on the weekend.

There are some bloody tough choices coming up - Walker looked one of the best starting 13s over the weekend. If he does the same again in a win we would be mad not to keep him there.

Watching Bloke in the Bar and they said offloads we beat Penrith 11:6 I think that and last kick option were the main variations, otherwise same game plan but with actual elite intensity

Tohu could just come back when Walker or others pull their hammy at some stage in the season

Watching the replay pretty pissed TMM clearly got knocked over in the last 2 kicks and both were no-calls from the ref

 

[sup42]

Are you able to share a little more of what you're seeing, as so far I haven't seen a heck of a lot.

Of course he's still young and there's plenty of potential there, but for me he's only really doing the basics well, which is what you would expect of any young player.
He's making his tackles, keeping with the pace of the game (mostly) and has minimal errors or penalties.

The first game he came on he looked quite powerful with a few strong runs. The game against the Titans he looked like he was injured and didn't get involved much, and this last game against Penny he looked solid.

But, so far for me there's no exciting play - very few attacking stats and no 'high footy iq' that gets me excited.

This isnt me saying I think he's shit, of even a poor player. Just wondering what I've been missing

His ability to pace himself at NRL level without a performance curve peaks and troughs, or tail offs is his biggest asset.

If you go back through the big young forwards the Warriors have blooded over the years, this is actually rare, extremely rare.

I often read on here that guys in this pack get left out there too long and they should be pulled earlier, you don't really see that comment with Jacob, people aren't seeing the inconsistency that some say players like Ford or Jazz suffer from.

It is also rare, for an inexperienced guy, to not become part of the problem when a club is in a form slump and coping hidings in games, in that scenario, eventually, the inexperienced guys fall apart during a run of those games and have a mare, because when the teams confidence is shot, theirs usually takes a bit of a hit, and or they pull some daft risk plays under that type of pressure to try to pull off a miracle.

I notice Laban gets overlooked when he hits the gap a lot, and I understand that as a function of our playmakers probably doing what is practised at training and not putting the pressure on him to be the receiver on those plays, but having said that, there have been a few times where if SJ had of hit him with instead of the guy out the back, that Laban would have scored and be seen as the next thing around here. I believe there is also an element of trust there, the old heads will take time to develop to set Laban up when he takes those runs.

It's funny how we are looking for more than these possibly vanilla performances, in a team where, if they all played like Laban - doing the job, nothing fancy, few mistakes, few penalties conceded, that we would probably be in the top eight right now.

I don't think the lack of Xfactor is an issue with Laban, it is there, we have seen it his whole junior career, hard running, hard hitting, young forward, I just think he is smart enough to do what he has been told and tidy up his game, the arrival of the more sexy stuff will come when the coach says go for it.

Also Laban has been given a hard job for a debut player, rather than a careful bench blooding role, where he gets told go out there and test their tiring pack, he has landed as a role as a grinder with the constant risk of being told you might be needed for eighty minutes, coz dudes are limping off the field left right and Center every game.

Honestly I find it remarkable that during this vile time, where heads are being called for, including the coaches, that no one has really had an excuse to turn on Laban and blame him for his role in any of those losses, that is unusual too.....

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Roache was good, but had a zero running game.

Lussick back is a good thing.

Watched the Dolphins and the play a pretty simple game.

If we dominate up front, we're a good chance this week.

Lol yeah Lussicks super strong running game... 44m in 208 minutes. Come on mate

 

[run_it_str8_again]

Webby is pretty loyal with pecking orders. So I expect Lussick to stay as he is our number 2 specialist hooker.

Roache was outstanding but not to usurp the order.

Genuinely interested to see if the lessons learned have bedded in and have marked a cornerstone for this season

 

[run_it_str8_again]

Lol yeah Lussicks super strong running game... 44m in 208 minutes. Come on mate

Lussicks main asset is his head hasn't been smashed knocked trampled squashed or steamrolled as much as Egan's. I was genuinely more impressed with the youthful exuberance of Roache which looked so much faster than our previous month of play and that was with the three man pile ons the Panthers do so well.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Lussicks main asset is his head hasn't been smashed knocked trampled squashed or steamrolled as much as Egan's. I was genuinely more impressed with the youthful exuberance of Roache which looked so much faster than our previous month of play and that was with the three man pile ons the Panthers do so well.

take it up with the poster I replied too

 

[MrFrankWhite]

It is a shame, but they have too look after these kids, Laban I thought might get a rest for welfares sake too. But Laban has been playing like he is an NRL regular, the pace of the games have not phased him (the Penrith game was very fast).

Bro you keep harping on about this and that and have been consistently wrong for like a month. When they need a break give them one, until then push them hard. They are young, they can handle it, unlike your geriatric squad. Don't make me quote your pregame prediction of a 50pt hiding because we didnt have Tohu, Capewell, SJ, or RTS.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

You have to take empirical evidence into account when forming analysis, or you end up like old mate saying Lussick has a strong running game. You have to grade your analysis on recent history. I posted elsewhere that I was wrong about Katoa. I death rode him when he was here, same with CHT.

If you don't self reflect you end just being wrong, continuously

 

[Inruin]

Lussicks main asset is his head hasn't been smashed knocked trampled squashed or steamrolled as much as Egan's. I was genuinely more impressed with the youthful exuberance of Roache which looked so much faster than our previous month of play and that was with the three man pile ons the Panthers do so well.

Roaches passes looked crisp and accurate. Was giving us great service and didn't need to run. I'm sure that part of his game will develop further.

 

[sup42]

Bro you keep harping on about this and that and have been consistently wrong for like a month. When they need a break give them one, until then push them hard. They are young, they can handle it, unlike your geriatric squad. Don't make me quote your pregame prediction of a 50pt hiding because we didnt have Tohu, Capewell, SJ, or RTS.

You completely took that post out of context.
I said if we don't get done by 70 we will be doing well. Bear in mind it is a game day thread and not an analysis thread, where people like me on game day are in chat mode, rather than the wannabe pub NRL expert mode.

That is not a prediction that we will lose by that much, that is just saying given the odds, we will do well not to get an ANZAC day style 70 point hiding, something entirely different to what you are misreading as me declaring that 'we will get a 70 point hiding' do you understand the difference?


Also you are the one throwing in those names like I mentioned any of those players in any of my posts as individuals with glowing endorsement, my broader point was simple = less NRL experienced players = higher risk. Again let me explain nuance....I do not think those players are playing very well at all, rather I believe if you throw in a bunch of kids against the top NRL club, that you should temper your expectations.

Since we pulled off a miraculous win you have been insufferable in your gloating and obtuse miss quoting of posts.

I am thrilled we won bro, I said to you in the game day thread when you were having a go....hey just enjoy the game, now I say....hey just enjoy the week, we should all be pretty happy right now. I sure am having a better week than the ones preceding. Also I think it was a good move going with the young blood angle you have been pushing. Is is sustainable? I dunno. Am I against more of the same? no. I think results is all that matters in the greater scheme.

Have I written off Tohu Harris et al? hell no, these guys are good players, not playing well, but good players.

And this post you have quoted this time about looking after players when they are transitioned into pro sports has a body of sports science behind it, which is why athletes schedule the events they take on while coming up through the ranks, not everyone is Mike Tyson the younger, able to take on all comers and fight every week after knocking everyone out in round two.

Some of these guys are also still growing physiologically, and there is a body of science behind early specialization while in the growth phase and the incidence of developing chronic injuries.

Point taken that I talk about resting players regularly, as something that is pre scripted at times as part of their development. I talk about it from the POV of an outsider, I never have made inference that I have any idea of when this should occur, for which player, because it is an area of sports science above my pay grade and therefore, unlike you, I trust in the good coaches to make those calls based off their staff support and experience.

So if it is cool with you, I will continue to mention resting young players as a variable in why perhaps this young player will need breaks as they come on even when they have been playing well.

 

[CWC]

His ability to pace himself at NRL level without a performance curve peaks and troughs, or tail offs is his biggest asset.

If you go back through the big young forwards the Warriors have blooded over the years, this is actually rare, extremely rare.

I often read on here that guys in this pack get left out there too long and they should be pulled earlier, you don't really see that comment with Jacob, people aren't seeing the inconsistency that some say players like Ford or Jazz suffer from.

It is also rare, for an inexperienced guy, to not become part of the problem when a club is in a form slump and coping hidings in games, in that scenario, eventually, the inexperienced guys fall apart during a run of those games and have a mare, because when the teams confidence is shot, theirs usually takes a bit of a hit, and or they pull some daft risk plays under that type of pressure to try to pull off a miracle.

I notice Laban gets overlooked when he hits the gap a lot, and I understand that as a function of our playmakers probably doing what is practised at training and not putting the pressure on him to be the receiver on those plays, but having said that, there have been a few times where if SJ had of hit him with instead of the guy out the back, that Laban would have scored and be seen as the next thing around here. I believe there is also an element of trust there, the old heads will take time to develop to set Laban up when he takes those runs.

It's funny how we are looking for more than these possibly vanilla performances, in a team where, if they all played like Laban - doing the job, nothing fancy, few mistakes, few penalties conceded, that we would probably be in the top eight right now.

I don't think the lack of Xfactor is an issue with Laban, it is there, we have seen it his whole junior career, hard running, hard hitting, young forward, I just think he is smart enough to do what he has been told and tidy up his game, the arrival of the more sexy stuff will come when the coach says go for it.

Also Laban has been given a hard job for a debut player, rather than a careful bench blooding role, where he gets told go out there and test their tiring pack, he has landed as a role as a grinder with the constant risk of being told you might be needed for eighty minutes, coz dudes are limping off the field left right and Center every game.

Honestly I find it remarkable that during this vile time, where heads are being called for, including the coaches, that no one has really had an excuse to turn on Laban and blame him for his role in any of those losses, that is unusual too.....

He even had to slot in at centre in the weekend I believe

 

[CWC]

Lol yeah Lussicks super strong running game... 44m in 208 minutes. Come on mate

yup Roache had at least 2-3 good runs including one causing a penalty eventually leading to the sin bin

 

[sup42]

He even had to slot in at centre in the weekend I believe

He did.
And we did not leak to death and lose the game despite the Panthers knowing he was a new target out of position.

 

[sup42]

Looks like a bad ankle injury for Ali as he will be out for 2-3 months.

Stink but not terminal, at least he will be playing again if needed for a run at the finals.
When they say bad, I think season ending. Feel for Ali, he seems to cop heavy shots at his legs more than most, that tackle was awkward, as was the tackle that hurt him last time he made NRL.

 

[sup42]

Real shame for Roache to miss out after his performance in the weekend.

I hope he is a surprise run on player, though I doubt it, seeing as Freddy would have been named in the 18th spot in that scenario.

Oh well tough titty as my Mum would have said. At least we know he can play NRL. That in itself is a quantum leap from reading his critiques in the NSW cup thread.

 

[Cces]

Tuaupiki was outstanding last week but he'd be the unlucky one for me this week.
Never been a CHT fan (as our go to guy) but am warming to him because, injury plagued 2021 aside, he can actually kick the ball long. TMM chalked up big metres last weekend because he was our sole kicker but it was largely hit & hope stuff.
I think if CNK plays Fullback then we have better field position than if Tuaupiki plays there too & we get more cracks on the Dolphins tryline.
Sorry Taine.

 

[AlwaysOptmistic]

Looking good for the weekend.
Niukore has been sorely missed, will add real steel and power. Hopefully he can put an extended run together.
Great to know we have some depth that can prevail in tough situations, across key positions.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

You completely took that post out of context.
I said if we don't get done by 70 we will be doing well. Bear in mind it is a game day thread and not an analysis thread, where people like me on game day are in chat mode, rather than the wannabe pub NRL expert mode.

That is not a prediction that we will lose by that much, that is just saying given the odds, we will do well not to get an ANZAC day style 70 point hiding, something entirely different to what you are misreading as me declaring that 'we will get a 70 point hiding' do you understand the difference?


Also you are the one throwing in those names like I mentioned any of those players in any of my posts as individuals with glowing endorsement, my broader point was simple = less NRL experienced players = higher risk. Again let me explain nuance....I do not think those players are playing very well at all, rather I believe if you throw in a bunch of kids against the top NRL club, that you should temper your expectations.

Since we pulled off a miraculous win you have been insufferable in your gloating and obtuse miss quoting of posts.

I am thrilled we won bro, I said to you in the game day thread when you were having a go....hey just enjoy the game, now I say....hey just enjoy the week, we should all be pretty happy right now. I sure am having a better week than the ones preceding. Also I think it was a good move going with the young blood angle you have been pushing. Is is sustainable? I dunno. Am I against more of the same? no. I think results is all that matters in the greater scheme.

Have I written off Tohu Harris et al? hell no, these guys are good players, not playing well, but good players.

And this post you have quoted this time about looking after players when they are transitioned into pro sports has a body of sports science behind it, which is why athletes schedule the events they take on while coming up through the ranks, not everyone is Mike Tyson the younger, able to take on all comers and fight every week after knocking everyone out in round two.

Some of these guys are also still growing physiologically, and there is a body of science behind early specialization while in the growth phase and the incidence of developing chronic injuries.

Point taken that I talk about resting players regularly, as something that is pre scripted at times as part of their development. I talk about it from the POV of an outsider, I never have made inference that I have any idea of when this should occur, for which player, because it is an area of sports science above my pay grade and therefore, unlike you, I trust in the good coaches to make those calls based off their staff support and experience.

So if it is cool with you, I will continue to mention resting young players as a variable in why perhaps this young player will need breaks as they come on even when they have been playing well.

Nice and yeah always fire back at me bro, you know I’m here for it! I’d be bored shitless if everyone agreed with me.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

yup Roache had at least 2-3 good runs including one causing a penalty eventually leading to the sin bin

Absolutely criminal he hasn’t been given a chance. Could have had a spare spot in the 30.