Recruitment Warriors 2025/2026 Recruitment & Retention

Warriors 2025/2026 Recruitment & Retention Discussion
C = Club option, M = Mutual option, P = Player option, S = Supplementary contract (Formerly, Development), T = Train & Trial contract, ? = Wtf is up with Motu Pasikala

Confirmed Top 30 2025: 28/30
Confirmed Supplementary 2025: 6/6
Unconfirmed Top 30 2025: 29/30
Unconfirmed Supplementary 2025: 6/6

Confirmed Top 30 2026: 22/30
Confirmed Supplementary 2026: 1/6

2026 Gains: Nil
2026 Losses: Nil

Off Contract: Bunty Afoa, Tom Ale, Edward Kosi, Te Maire Martin, Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, Adam Pompey, Dylan Walker



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The GM from panthers did a good interview with James graham sharing their wage structure per position and how they never tend to break it. In saying that they have produced talent that on paper they wouldn’t be able to afford within the salary cap if they bought what they produced hence why they’ve let that talent go. Let’s be honest we haven’t produced any talent right now worth more than 400k current value but I know the goal is to eventually produce that talent ourselves. Until we get our development to a level where we lose 750-1mil talent and replace it with talent that will be of that value we will always need a Dylan brown or jahrome Hughes to compete. This will be my gripe if in 5 years we still aren’t producing high quality talent and are still trying to buy million dollar halves and spine players from aus. That will tell me the club has failed at being a successful development club ala Penrith.
This is 100% the approach and one I think we’re trying to copy.

The Panthers and storm have strict policies around their salary cap. With Melbourne, they prioritise the spine & they fill in the rest of the squad with hard working players and/or talented discards that will excel when surrounded by talented spines. Katoa had a career season playing outside Hughes. Not discrediting that he didn’t work hard, but playing outside Hughes is a cheat code.

Panthers are slightly different. They’ve simply had to underpay their players right through their success, due to signing them on longer term deals at discounted rates, or because the players wanted to continue playing together & win together. They’ve played junior grades together & their chemistry won them premierships.

Along the way, they refused to overpay for their players resulting in burton, luai, kikau, Capewell, korisau, Leniu and Crichton all leaving for higher salaries. They only did this, because tago, alamoti, kenny, sorenson, McLean could replace them, on cheaper salaries. All were brought through their own system, or were talented discards looking for an opportunity to play in elite sides.

The warriors have been continuously bouncing in and out of the 8 for years. There’s been no sustained success. New Zealand simply has been unable to produce elite NRL players that commit to NZ, with most of the elite players being developed in aus pathways, with a few exceptions. When you look at the current starting 17 at the warriors, off the top of my head, only vaimauga, ale, Leiataua have come through the pathways. this is unacceptable. Compare this to the panthers, Edwards, McLean, tago, Cleary, smith, Kenny, sorenson, Martin, yeo (to name a few), have all come through their pathways.

This has seen the warriors invest hugely in their pathways system as it’s the only way to see sustained success. In their first year, the u17s took out the title, with the 19s and 21s performing admirably considering that the talented athletes were pushed to cup for experience. I would assume the 19s and 21s would’ve done better had all eligible players played in their age groups, but for long term dev they’re better off learning the trades against men.

I’m not sure how long it will take to see long term success, but at least for the first time in warriors history there’s a plan in place that has evidence it works. Whilst we will continue to lose talented youngsters along this path, this to me shows we’re going in the right direction, and hopefully (as we’re seeing now), players from aus will want to play for our Dev teams (kiwis and oz players). We’re seeing the very first crop of athletes starting to make their mark on 1st grade come through now; laben, vaimauga, Leiataua, halasima, maiu’u etc. this is just the first wave. Some will make it, some won’t, but I’m assuming the warriors have signed these guys on relatively cheap deals allowing them to release players like jazz, knowing these young middles are pushing for a spot.

Anyway, long post but wanted to get all my thoughts out there. We’re on the right path finally, we just need to stay patient, as hard as that is. We need to continually blood young players, give them work ons in cup, and hope they make a return to 1st grade.

I also think NZ has one major trump card over all other nrl clubs, we’re in NZ. For all the talented kiwi players in AUS, there’s a chunk that I know struggle to live overseas and away from their extended families and have ambition of coming home. Just like we worry about losing talented aus players once they show their worth, that is the warriors strength from a recruitment perspective. However until we’re showing continual success across all grades, these players know they’re better to stay in aus and develop under better systems.

It’s a long term play, but one that has proven success. We have our coach locked in for years, we have investment across the club, we have growing player base, and fans are flocking to the games. I have a direct link to rugby union in Auckland, and I know for a fact that the younger athletes are looking over at the rival code and liking what they see. The blues are worried & NZRU are too.
 

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I think some of you blokes are going to get a rude awakening this year when we are sitting 14th after 12 rounds with our current spine being ridiculous and not at NRL standard.
Regardless I don’t think we’re better than 9th if you replace TMM with Brown anyway.

He’s not the answer. Just be patient and keep building from within. The pathways are close to bearing the fruits.

Paying Brown 1.2m just brings me back to days when we used to scream and shout about SJ disappearing in games and not taking over when we were paying him 1m a year. It’s not good for anyone involved and Brown is definitely not ready for that kind of responsibility week in/week out regardless of what his manager feeds the media.
 
if we don't take the risk we have no chance of making the top four. If we do take the risk we may only have a ten percent chance of making the top four but at least there is something to hope for. I think some of you blokes are going to get a rude awakening this year when we are sitting 14th after 12 rounds with our current spine being ridiculous and not at NRL standard.
Mr Annesley? Is that you?
 

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He’s a running five eighth that can tackle
Metcalf wants to be our 7. He is def not a 7, He is a running five eighth that CAN'T tackle. Brown can do amazing things with a solid no thrills 7 running shit. Fingers crossed Boyd can be that. TMM even. And they're cheap.

Price tag aside, Dylan is a year younger than Metcalf and has more upside. Just as fast, More abrasive in the tackle and hit ups. Steps well, able to put runners in holes with Deft passes & a acceptable short kicking game.

I want to back Metcalf. I want him to succeed. But im not waiting 2 to 3 years for him to come right.

Yes please to Brown.
 
Metcalf wants to be our 7. He is def not a 7, He is a running five eighth that CAN'T tackle. Brown can do amazing things with a solid no thrills 7 running shit. Fingers crossed Boyd can be that. TMM even. And they're cheap.

Price tag aside, Dylan is a year younger than Metcalf and has more upside. Just as fast, More abrasive in the tackle and hit ups. Steps well, able to put runners in holes with Deft passes & a acceptable short kicking game.

I want to back Metcalf. I want him to succeed. But im not waiting 2 to 3 years for him to come right.

Yes please to Brown.
You can’t just say price tag aside :ROFLMAO:

It’s the main issue we’re discussing
 
Bro how can you be sick of scrapping into the Finals, we only made the 8 twice since 2012.
We need to consistently make the 8 first before thinking of the title.
But I agree fully with development being the key to our long term success.
Fair play. Trying……
Trying to scrape into the finals.

And judging by your comment and the reactions it got (I thought it was a little funny myself to be fair)
Unfortunately I think most will accept that. The next 20 years of “trying” to scrape into the finals.
Just hope and maybe we’ll get lucky, right?
A little pathetic really…..
I mean that’s pretty much what happened in 2011……. There was nothing foundational about it. 8 year skid after that was it?

Instead of burning a season or 2 to lay out foundations.
And building a fucking EMPIRE……..
Phil Gould goes on about that shit.

I suppose I’m going to be here regardless.
So who’s the sucker I guess. Lol
 

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You can’t just say price tag aside :ROFLMAO:

It’s the main issue we’re discussing
You actually can……

When you consider that Metcalf comes off contract in 2 years.
There’s a grocery list of older halves that will retire by round 1, 2027.
Assuming Metcalf comes right, you think he isn’t getting a pay rise?
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s getting 1 million dollar offers at all by then.
(Fun fact, if Metcalf somehow plays every game over the next 2 seasons, lol. Brown would still have more games today)

So really, you’d save a bit of money in 2026 and then it’ll pretty much be the same.

If Brown and Metcalf were both eligible for the Kiwis. Who would you select?
Browns defence alone gets him over the line for me…..
Come on down, Dylan Brown……
 
I realise you’re talking about development.

But….
This was kinda the argument I was making on one of the other threads. And I was using Tanah Boyd as my example…
Boyd is a good signing, bad selection. (At least as a first choice)

IMO, it’s madness to be playing Tanah Boyd over TMM who are pretty much on the same level. (Obviously with injuries, it just is what it is)
Chances of TMM leaving vs Boyd?
If Boyd plays 20+ games, gets his career back on track in 2025 and leaves.
Then what? (Heaven forbid he takes up 2 seasons then leaves)

We’re not going to win the NRL in 2025.
And you’d be hard pressed to say we’re a sure bet to play finals.
So what are we losing?
So what are we building towards?
IMO, we need a REAL rebuild year……
Choose a direction.
Commit to it.
Regardless of the results of 2025.
(That includes sorting out whose actually going to be in in 2+ years time)

Obviously that doesn’t mean we don’t take risks. Metcalfe is in my team. And yes he could leave too…. But you gotta make a play somewhere.

I feel people get trapped in the “I’m happy just to scrape into the 8” and considering that success. You peel back the top layer and there’s really nothing there.

What even constitutes a successful club?
Melbourne were winning comps and were also losing money for years….. Is that successful? Maybe…….

2027 round 1 halves pairing.
6. Brown 7. Metcalf/TMM/Cleary
When you consider who will be retiring in the next 2 years. And the extra NRL teams by 2028. There’d certainly be worse out there.

Brown has a good 8-10 years left.
And TMM has 3-5 years. Then we’ll see what Halves our development programs have come up with.
I think the club are hopeful our current crop of halves signed for first grade will do the job over the next few seasons until the (fingers crossed) plentiful of youthful halves signings come good and prove good on their potential to become the next gen halves having developed their game within a Warriors style of play.

I think there should be a cautious optimism around a TMM/ Metcalf pairing this year providing the team change up the attacking threats and variations which had become too one dimensional last season on the back of having the best front row pairing.

I think AW has realised this and has mentioned in brief interviews this season about having a ‘style of play’, which needs to be based around current player strengths.

For that I think it will be a power game build on speed and fitness to hopefully create the ‘half chances’ ( like what I did there ) and convert to points.
 

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if we don't take the risk we have no chance of making the top four. If we do take the risk we may only have a ten percent chance of making the top four but at least there is something to hope for. I think some of you blokes are going to get a rude awakening this year when we are sitting 14th after 12 rounds with our current spine being ridiculous and not at NRL standard.
Bigger picture, if we take Brown on $1.2m instead of $800k and make the top 4, what if that means we forgo Hughes next year because we don’t have $1.2m and can only offer him $800k? With Hughes we have a chance of the title.

What I’m really saying is everyone and position has a price and paying more somewhere has costs in other positions which is the Panthers/ Storm philosophy.

With Brown we’re talking about paying on potential which is the Tigers philosophy…
 
Bigger picture, if we take Brown on $1.2m instead of $800k and make the top 4, what if that means we forgo Hughes next year because we don’t have $1.2m and can only offer him $800k? With Hughes we have a chance of the title.

What I’m really saying is everyone and position has a price and paying more somewhere has costs in other positions which is the Panthers/ Storm philosophy.

With Brown we’re talking about paying on potential which is the Tigers philosophy…
I think what he’s offering in terms of performance now when looking at his stats is pretty impressive, and impressive furthermore that there’s room for growth in those stats too at 24. Looking at most apprehension on here regarding him seems to be the inability to be a controlling halve, which seems to take time when looking at the ages of all the dominant halfbacks in the comp. Hughes is an interesting equation being that they’ve recently signed Pezet to long deal and Tyran Wishart has a club option for 2026, so Hughes could well become available? But with Hughes you might get a top halfback for a couple of years to see what’s possible to achieve in that time, or you might get an attacking five eighth that can defend to, that may develop into a halfback later on guided by the right people in Brown?
 

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I think what he’s offering in terms of performance now when looking at his stats is pretty impressive, and impressive furthermore that there’s room for growth in those stats too at 24. Looking at most apprehension on here regarding him seems to be the inability to be a controlling halve, which seems to take time when looking at the ages of all the dominant halfbacks in the comp. Hughes is an interesting equation being that they’ve recently signed Pezet to long deal and Tyran Wishart has a club option for 2026, so Hughes could well become available? But with Hughes you might get a top halfback for a couple of years to see what’s possible to achieve in that time, or you might get an attacking five eighth that can defend to, that may develop into a halfback later on guided by the right people in Brown?
All true but do you pay $1.2m for him.

Most on here would take him with no issues at around $800-$900k. The demand for elite money means he’s got to be the key player for the foreseeable future rather than others based on potential…
 
All true but do you pay $1.2m for him.

Most on here would take him with no issues at around $800-$900k. The demand for elite money means he’s got to be the key player for the foreseeable future rather than others based on potential…
I’ve heard him reference security regarding the clauses in his contract, what I’d be happy to see would be clauses in the clubs favour for him to hit targets and that be recognised monetarily potentially? Heavily back ended deals aren’t allowed anymore, but moderate ones still occur, but the targets would would need to be for the club to identify being the way they would potentially play him if there was interest? The fact that the club offered him such good money early in his career strikes me that he’s somebody that the club has a plan around and sees as someone with something to offer if there’s still interest a second time around and at a potential high salary. I thought that article recently that read this could be a case of the player wanting the club as much as the club wanting the player was interesting, it’s struck me in recent Kiwi games that there’s a tight group of proud Kiwis that wants to see success in NZ league, mainly driven by JFH. I think they see the Warriors in this movement, JFH and CNK seem tight and I think Brown could fit that well. In summary with all my prattling, I’d pay him $1.2 million based on him hitting targets
 
Fair play. Trying……
Trying to scrape into the finals.

And judging by your comment and the reactions it got (I thought it was a little funny myself to be fair)
Unfortunately I think most will accept that. The next 20 years of “trying” to scrape into the finals.
Just hope and maybe we’ll get lucky, right?
A little pathetic really…..
I mean that’s pretty much what happened in 2011……. There was nothing foundational about it. 8 year skid after that was it?

Instead of burning a season or 2 to lay out foundations.
And building a fucking EMPIRE……..
Phil Gould goes on about that shit.

I suppose I’m going to be here regardless.
So who’s the sucker I guess. Lol
I believe we are laying the foundation or at least trying to with our development/pathways of local talent.
This will take time but if Webby can introduce his systems with the cattle he has and focus on becoming a consistent top 8 side, when that talent is ready to play First Grade hopefully that helps put us in title contention.
On top of that smart and marquee signings will help towards our goal as well.
 

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To counter the previous article saying the Warriors are interested in Brown, Foxsports do not believe we are. Although it says there are 2 mystery clubs, so Brown wishers can still hold out some hope (and after Cam George said they weren't interested. To be fair that's never a 100% confirmation).


I don't see CHT or TMM as our answer to the halves to be honest, but I don't think Brown is either. Will be interesting to see how the 6 and 7 perform for us in 2025.
 

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Regardless I don’t think we’re better than 9th if you replace TMM with Brown anyway.

He’s not the answer. Just be patient and keep building from within. The pathways are close to bearing the fruits.

Paying Brown 1.2m just brings me back to days when we used to scream and shout about SJ disappearing in games and not taking over when we were paying him 1m a year. It’s not good for anyone involved and Brown is definitely not ready for that kind of responsibility week in/week out regardless of what his manager feeds the media.
1) If we are even only say 10% better with Brown that could lead to us winning three or four more games we would have otherwise lost, and that creates momentum in the season and self confidence which can lead to 3 or 4 other wins and making the top 8. It is all about momentum in a season. In my days as a premier division cricketer how you did each week was in reaction to what you did the previous week. If you got blown out you were just trying to put a respectable performance in. And if you won you expected to win next week. Finally the only lessons you learn are when you win, nobody learns anything much from losing. It is why there is such a divergence between the Storm and us. They have been winning and learning lessons from winning from years. Where as we have been losing and you don't learn and grow from losing all the time. If our pathways say are due to give us a star half three or four years from now then how we play in the intervening and years until then will impact the institutional knowledge and players we have recruited to us to support the young messiah half when he emerges from our pathways. And for a more graphic example if we just wait for our pathways to come through for us three of four years for now and run with the 16th best spine in the league until then the axe will fall on Webster which will be a shame as he could have and will end up being a premiership winning coach with somebody. It will be with us if we can keep him long enough.

2) It depends what you want. Isn't there some value in just finishing 9th (if your prediction with Brown is correct) instead of finishing 14th to 16th for the next three years while waiting for the Messiah half from our pathways. When you finish 9th there are less requests for compassionate leaves from Australian players than when you finish 15h. When you finish 9th you can attract better recruits and better 15 year olds to join your pathways than when you finish 15th. If you want us to rely on pathways then we need to keep pouring talent into it and no youngster star 15 year old is coming here if we finish 13th again this season. And no youngster is coming here if we run with TMM and Metcalf as our halves for the next two years and they watch that level of talent on TV.

3) Read "Waiting for Godot" by Samuel Beckett. I think even the title of the play gives away the point I am trying to make here. An existential novel about the futility of living your life and putting things on hold waiting for the second coming of Christ even if you are a devout Christian. Putting religion and classic plays aside the metaphor is you can end up waiting a life time.

4) The Crux of the matter for and everyone else is your last point "Let's not pay $1.2M as it creates a salary cap burden and SJ Mach 2 where we blame him for each loss if he is not walking on water each week." To come anywhere in this league you need to have 1 or 2 or in the Storm's case 3 one million dollar players. It is how you optomise your cap spend. If instead you are going to have no marquee players and peanut butter spread your money on to lots of very good players and aim to win by having a consistent and overall strong 17 it won't work. You need to have some game breakers marquee players who can step up and perform at the level of demi gods on occasion. Shaun for all his inconsistency sometimes played like a demi god. He really did. His highlights package is simply not of a mortal human being. The NRL is not the super league. It is the greatest competition in the world and for you even to be competitive you can't have just 17 great players - you need 1 or 2 demi god players in your team as they inspire the rest of your team and get it done in championship minutes.

5) But Dylan Brown is not that good. Yes he really is and really will be even if only at the stand off position because he is 24 and not at yet at his peak. And yes he does have an elite boot. He just reluctantly uses it. He has the 2nd biggest Gary Owen in the NRL behind only Burton. He used to rain down bombs as a 19 year old and has gone away from it in recent seasons.
 
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1) If we are even only say 10% better with Brown that could lead to us winning three or four more games we would have otherwise lost, and that creates momentum in the season and self confidence which can lead to 3 or 4 other wins and making the top 8. It is all about momentum in a season. In my days as a premier division cricketer how you did each week was in reaction to what you did the previous week. If you got blown out you were just trying to put a respectable performance in. And if you won you expected to win next week. Finally the only lessons you learn are when you win, nobody learns anything much from losing. It is why there is such a divergence between the Storm and us. They have been winning and learning lessons from winning from years. Where as we have been losing and you don't learn and grow from losing all the time. If our pathways say are due to give us a star half three or four years from now then how we play in the intervening and years until then will impact the institutional knowledge and players we have recruited to us to support the young messiah half when he emerges from our pathways. And for a more graphic example if we just wait for our pathways to come through for us three of four years for now and run with the 16th best spine in the league until then the axe will fall on Webster which will be a shame as he could have and will end up being a premiership winning coach with somebody. It will be with us if we can keep him long enough.

2) It depends what you want. Isn't there some value in just finishing 9th (if your prediction with Brown is correct) instead of finishing 14th to 16th for the next three years while waiting for the Messiah half from our pathways. When you finish 9th there are less requests for compassionate leaves from Australian players than when you finish 15h. When you finish 9th you can attract better recruits and better 15 year olds to join your pathways than when you finish 15th. If you want us to rely on pathways then we need to keep pouring talent into it and no youngster star 15 year old is coming here if we finish 13th again this season. And no youngster is coming here if we run with TMM and Metcalf as our halves for the next two years and they watch that level of talent on TV.

3) Read "Waiting for Godot" by Samuel Beckett. I think even the title of the play gives away the point I am trying to make here. An existential novel about the futility of living your life and putting things on hold waiting for the second coming of Christ even if you are a devout Christian. Putting religion and classic plays aside the metaphor is you can end up waiting a life time.

4) The Crux of the matter for and everyone else is your last point "Let's not pay $1.2M as it creates a salary cap burden and SJ Mach 2 where we blame him for each loss if he is not walking on water each week." To come anywhere in this league you need to have 1 or 2 or in the Storm's case 3 one million dollar players. It is how you optomise your cap spend. If instead you are going to have no marquee players and peanut butter spread your money on to lots of very good players and aim to win by having a consistent and overall strong 17 it won't work. You need to have some game breakers marquee players who can step up and perform at the level of demi gods on occasion. Shaun for all his inconsistency sometimes played like a demi god. He really did. His highlights package is simply not of a mortal human being. The NRL is not the super league. It is the greatest competition in the world and for you even to be competitive you can't have just 17 great players - you need 1 or 2 demi god players in your team as they inspire the rest of your team and get it done in championship minutes.

5) But Dylan Brown is not that good. Yes he really is and really will be even if only at the stand off position because he is 24 and not at yet at his peak. And yes he does have an elite boot. He just reluctantly uses it. He has the 2nd biggest Gary Owen in the NRL behind only Burton. He used to rain down bombs as a 19 year old and has gone away from it in recent seasons.
You've almost convinced me Dylbro is a demi god Wrighty, that's a bit egregreginglis
 
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