Politics 🤡 Donald Trump

[wizard of Tauranga]

All of which shows how off track you are Wiz. Actually, completely ignorant.

Great debating, really expanded on the conversation in a positive way. I learnt so much from your valuable contribution as you highlighted an alternative viewpoint

 

[MaybeTop8]

Great debating, really expanded on the conversation in a positive way. I learnt so much from your valuable contribution as you highlighted an alternative viewpoint

You presented that as a fait accompli Wiz

 

[Worried2Death]

1 - there is always a place and a process for refugees.
2 - why can’t the people with ties to that country stay and rebuild it as a better place?
3 - if the US destabilised a country and the people hate the US for it, why would any go to the US unless that evil IS narrative is in fact incorrect?
4 - why do people would want to go to the US, an anti immigration right wing country?
5 - Shouldn’t they want to go to a country with a similar culture? Or a left wing country that welcomes immigration?

All I hear is how bad the US is on here, surely the illegal immigrants don’t want to be there… Trumps doing them a favour isn’t he according to some of the posters on here?

1. Not now, Trump's cancelled them
2. Usually not a viable option when they're fleeing bombs and death squads
3. Well it used to be branded as a melting pot, land of the free, bring your poor huddled masses etc
4. For the American dream?
5. What culture could be more similar for Mexicans than Texas? Or as the illegal immigrants call it, Best Mexico.

 

[Cces]

Wow almost 10% of the population is illegal immigrants

Surely you don't believe JD Vance? The guy who says all these "illegal aliens" are also buying up all of the homes in the USA & decimating population of cats & dogs by eating them

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

1. Not now, Trump's cancelled them
2. Usually not a viable option when they're fleeing bombs and death squads
3. Well it used to be branded as a melting pot, land of the free, bring your poor huddled masses etc
4. For the American dream?
5. What culture could be more similar for Mexicans than Texas? Or as the illegal immigrants call it, Best Mexico.

Why is Texas the best?

Because of American exceptionalism? Because capitalism is the ultimate model that others should follow? It makes it the land of opportunity?

Posters in here seem to portray it as a hell hole!

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

You presented that as a fait accompli Wiz

Well another poster bought up some nice points and we’ve going back and forth figuring out how and why we have our different view points.

That’s how we learn and grow by being open to different view points

 

[MaybeTop8]

Well another poster bought up some nice points and we’ve going back and forth figuring out how and why we have our different view points.

That’s how we learn and grow by being open to different view points

Not really. Your points don't come from a place of reality.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

1. Not now, Trump's cancelled them
2. Usually not a viable option when they're fleeing bombs and death squads
3. Well it used to be branded as a melting pot, land of the free, bring your poor huddled masses etc
4. For the American dream?
5. What culture could be more similar for Mexicans than Texas? Or as the illegal immigrants call it, Best Mexico.

1 - fair point. there’s other countries, they dont have to go to the US. And the US is allowing 7,500 refugees in 2026 - the lowest in history!
2 - traitors! If they were in the warriors and Payne Haas was charging at them, they would do a Reece Walsh.
3 - the people have voted. Things change and you have to respect the will of the people.
4 - American dream - Trumps way at the moment!

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Not really. Your points don't come from a place of reality.

Fine go back you your lefty rabbit holes where everyone agrees with you and keep ranting in confusion why the world keeps voting right

 

[BabylonPink]

Amongst all the back and forth this is an interesting concept to explore.

If you don’t control your borders, how do you plan social services, school, hospitals, etc if floods of unexpected people can just turn up? How do you ensure security if people of different mindset want to come eg a murder fleeing another country? Do you have to right to stop anyone?

Taking it to the logical conclusion with no lines in a map, do you believe in private ownership of your own property? If a squatter wants to live in your guest bedroom, what is the philosophical difference to an illegal immigrant demanding access to a country? I see the same underlying issues.

I’m not interesting in arguing, I genuinely want to explore this. I see maintaining borders as the only way to plan, protect a way of life and ensure a cohesive society.

It sounds like your truly interested in Anarchism Wiz.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CZIINXhGDcs

Here's an amazing starting point.

 

[MaybeTop8]

RFK Jr’s new diet guidelines pose risks for health and the environment, experts say

US health department’s new food pyramid places red meat and cheese high in saturated fats over plant-based proteins

www.theguardian.com

 

[John Nick]

Interesting you only limited it to two I don't bother engaging with now

Yes Inruin and I don't blame you for not responding to anything I post. Last time iirc was when I hinted that the contract for the Cook Strait/Wellington ocean going salvage tug was in jeopardy. Your response was something like " That wouldn't happen and the government has previously renewed the contract and they have no reason to cancel it now ".Remember?? Bingo. Next day Bishop announced the cancelation as of late February 2026.
Sorry to open up old wounds but It's necessary for others context.

 

[j_p]

There are many legal and accepted definitions that define illegal.
Heck 80 years ago in some parts of the world the same things existed for your level of whiteness.
Just accept your prejudiced against " illegals " " boat people " " welfare sponges'" " damn darkies" whatever you call them....

No matter how much a couple of these posters want to try muddy the waters it's very clear they're prejudiced. Don't know why they're so terrified to admit they may be a little racist.

For context to this thread my old man was technically an illegal immigrant to nz (believe he got residency through some amnesty program in the early 90s ). Been working here for 30+years and never received a single cent from the government until his pension kicked in a few years back.
So it is amusing to me to see posters (not just on here) yelling about immigrants and looking at them as subhuman all the while trying to cover their stance by saying it's only illegals their against and defending the tactics used by ICE etc.
They like to paint us as liberals for speaking out against this but what Trump is doing is encouraging the othering of anyone that's not white. I used to always feel proud of how accepting nz is and our race relations internally compared to other western countries but I've seen first hand the decline (while I was growing up in the early 90s)of racism to where we were in a pretty healthy place to the sudden increase ever since Trump came around and ran on fear politics.
The amount of racist comments in online comments I read in sometimes completely random videos has skyrocketed in the last few years.

 

[MaybeTop8]

No matter how much a couple of these posters want to try muddy the waters it's very clear they're prejudiced. Don't know why they're so terrified to admit they may be a little racist.

For context to this thread my old man was technically an illegal immigrant to nz (believe he got residency through some amnesty program in the early 90s ). Been working here for 30+years and never received a single cent from the government until his pension kicked in a few years back.
So it is amusing to me to see posters (not just on here) yelling about immigrants and looking at them as subhuman all the while trying to cover their stance by saying it's only illegals their against and defending the tactics used by ICE etc.
They like to paint us as liberals for speaking out against this but what Trump is doing is encouraging the othering of anyone that's not white. I used to always feel proud of how accepting nz is and our race relations internally compared to other western countries but I've seen first hand the decline (while I was growing up in the early 90s)of racism to where we were in a pretty healthy place to the sudden increase ever since Trump came around and ran on fear politics.
The amount of racist comments in online comments I read in sometimes completely random videos has skyrocketed in the last few years.

Well said jp

 

[Dannevegas]

No matter how much a couple of these posters want to try muddy the waters it's very clear they're prejudiced. Don't know why they're so terrified to admit they may be a little racist.

For context to this thread my old man was technically an illegal immigrant to nz (believe he got residency through some amnesty program in the early 90s ). Been working here for 30+years and never received a single cent from the government until his pension kicked in a few years back.
So it is amusing to me to see posters (not just on here) yelling about immigrants and looking at them as subhuman all the while trying to cover their stance by saying it's only illegals their against and defending the tactics used by ICE etc.
They like to paint us as liberals for speaking out against this but what Trump is doing is encouraging the othering of anyone that's not white. I used to always feel proud of how accepting nz is and our race relations internally compared to other western countries but I've seen first hand the decline (while I was growing up in the early 90s)of racism to where we were in a pretty healthy place to the sudden increase ever since Trump came around and ran on fear politics.
The amount of racist comments in online comments I read in sometimes completely random videos has skyrocketed in the last few years.

Ye trump is fcked, I fell for his patriotic, Christian act but don’t be fooled.
I think this whole ICE thing is the first step of something pretty bad, one of many.
Lucky they have the second amendment. I feel like shit like this is gonna start happening everywhere soon tho.
As for immigrants I think there’s an agenda behind this, dont know what.
The west is being over run whether you like it or not, mostly by Muslim culture.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Ye trump is fcked, I fell for his patriotic, Christian act but don’t be fooled.
I think this whole ICE thing is the first step of something pretty bad, one of many.
As for immigrants I think there’s an agenda behind this, dont know what.
The west is being over run whether you like it or not, mostly by Muslim culture.

Can't remotely agree with your last two sentences but good on you for changing your mind about Trump. Maybe the same critical thinking will help on your beliefs, particularly where you get your reading material

 

[Dannevegas]

Can't remotely agree with your last two sentences but good on you for changing your mind about Trump. Maybe the same critical thinking will help on your beliefs, particularly where you get your reading material

Can't remotely agree with your last two sentences but good on you for changing your mind about Trump. Maybe the same critical thinking will help on your beliefs, particularly where you get your reading material

I’m going pretty deep here lol, but I think it’s about digital id, especially in the UK. There definitely is tonnes of Illegal immigrants in the uk as well as Europe, and they run a mock, bringing their third world country behaviour with them.

Another one is to divide us, Left V right.
Muslims, Jews, Patriots etc etc, that way we don’t look at the perpetrators