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[MaybeTop8]

Public Service announcement

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Gee, this entire post is a "Trigger warning". Nice one.

Aside from the fact that it looks like you're just plucking figures out of thin air, and that your first sentence needs huge citation and qualification, which is not unusual with your posts.

Here's a starter - given the government is elected by the citizens of New Zealand (albeit this one doesn't give a fuck about those below a certain wealth level or demographic), which is us; given this is the social contract that we choose as our system of engagement at a civic, societal and logistical level; given that we task the elected representatives of the people, i.e. the ones we choose to act on our behalf to manage the social contract and the ability to administrate taxes with a fair distribution to ensure an even society (yes, yes, that's how it's supposed to work, but clearly doesn't, case in point the current mob); given we expect everyone to contribute to society and paying tax is one of those means we ensure that the social and civic contract is upheld (MAKE THE CORPORATES PAY THEIR SHARE); given thousands of jobs depend on the government, and keep our country running; given the population is growing and has grown exponentially in the last fifteen years, deliberately I might add; given all those things - just what exactly does "living within it's means" actually stand for?

In the past, when our social services were better WE DIDN'T HAVE NEOLIBERALISM AS THE DOMINANT IDEOLOGY

If corporates pay higher tax then they look to cut costs elsewhere to offset (sack people) and don’t invest for future growth… which ultimately leads to weaker productivity & prosperity for all New Zealanders. We need to encourage risk taking, aspiration & hard work - which is the opposite to the ideology that you seem to subscribe to.

 

[MaybeTop8]

If corporates pay higher tax then they look to cut costs elsewhere to offset (sack people) and don’t invest for future growth… which ultimately leads to weaker productivity & prosperity for all New Zealanders. We need to encourage risk taking, aspiration & hard work - which is the opposite to the ideology that you seem to subscribe to.

Google. Amazon. Facebook. TikTok. Instagram. Apple. All the banks in NZ. That's who I'm referring to.

Your comment is theory too Mr Brownstone. If encouraged they strip profits and invest fuck all. The proof is here over the last 45 years.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Your comment is theory too Mr Brownstone. If encouraged they strip profits and invest fuck all. The proof is here over the last 45 years.

NZ has had increasing life spans, decreasing poverty and increasing quality in the last 45 years.

Your ideology was tried the last 5 years and there’s all the proof we need

 

[MaybeTop8]

NZ has had increasing life spans, decreasing poverty and increasing quality in the last 45 years.

Your ideology was tried the last 5 years and there’s all the proof we need

Errrrr no it wasn't. I've said many times. Labour is neoliberal as well. And what ideology? Anyway, onwards.

 

[miket12]

Google. Amazon. Facebook. TikTok. Instagram. Apple. All the banks in NZ. That's who I'm referring to.

Your comment is theory too Mr Brownstone. If encouraged they strip profits and invest fuck all. The proof is here over the last 45 years.

I think you’ll find that the Australian banks pay tax in NZ…. but the rip off is that the fees they charge us and the differences between the deposit and loan rates in NZ are different to Oz making it feel that they’re ripping us off.

While it’s a legitimate practice for companies like Google Inc to charge Google NZ “fees” for things like Cloud hosting, the amounts they charge is, IMO, just a way to transfer what should be taxable income in NZ. Then, some “head company” in a tax haven charges Google Inc which then transfers the taxable income out of the States.

Disclosure: my KiwiSaver and a managed fund I have has shares in five of the six Tech companies you’ve mentioned.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I think you’ll find that the Australian banks pay tax in NZ…. but the rip off is that the fees they charge us and the differences between the deposit and loan rates in NZ are different to Oz making it feel that they’re ripping us off.

While it’s a legitimate practice for companies like Google Inc to charge Google NZ “fees” for things like Cloud hosting, the amounts they charge is, IMO, just a way to transfer what should be taxable income in NZ. Then, some “head company” in a tax haven charges Google Inc which then transfers the taxable income out of the States.

Disclosure: my KiwiSaver and a managed fund I have has shares in five of the six Tech companies you’ve mentioned.

Was just about to post similar. Irony is that if we lowered our corporate tax rate enough then it could result in increased tax revenue from these companies because they would reverse the cost skews away from NZ to take advantage of a favourable foreign tax differential.

 

[juju]

The Post

www.thepost.co.nz

Bludgers or just entitlements they're entitled too.

Arent we told the government has a spending problem?

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

www.newshub.co.nz

Some good points from Micheal Wood, shame he did himself a disservice around declaring shares but as seen in recent times, he isn’t alone

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Stuff

www.newshub.co.nz

Some good points from Micheal Wood, shame he did himself a disservice around declaring shares but as seen in recent times, he isn’t alone

Fact is most of the people on that list do worldwide business.

Eg Mowbray and Hart (1 and 2) run international businesses where 99% of their business is overseas.

Try to tax them more and they just shuffle the income offshore and bring less of it back here to invest and grow NZ.

Slightly misleading as it’s reported the wealth lists worth increased by $23b but the majority was the Mowbray’s whose wealth increased $17b (and they operate in 30 countries). Most NZ based wealth were stagnant.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

80% drop in ram raids.

This is what we voted for! This is the NZ we want.

 

[marv.]

80% drop in ram raids.

This is what we voted for! This is the NZ we want.

CORRUPTION!
NEOLIBRSLISM!
ETC!

 

[PullingTeets]

Now a 70% rise in sexual assaults, that's what the scum voted in.
Although from alot of comments from right leaning voters on this forum are proud of that!!!!!!

 

[marv.]

Now a 70% rise in sexual assaults, that's what the scum voted in.
Although from alot of comments from right leaning voters on this forum are proud of that!!!!!!

who would ever be proud of that?!

and how do you attribute a 70% rise in sexual assault to a new right leaning government?

surely you’re not implying supporters of the left are out there raping in protest?

doesn’t make any sense to me.

 

[Noitall]

who would ever be proud of that?!

and how do you attribute a 70% rise in sexual assault to a new right leaning government?

surely you’re not implying supporters of the left are out there raping in protest?

doesn’t make any sense to me.

How do you attribute a drop in ram raids to a new government? They haven’t altered anything, so is there a thinking that because national is in government, they’ve decided they better stop doing ram raids? Think it’s more likely that the fad has died out as it was mainly online notoriety that many were seeking

 

[marv.]

How do you attribute a drop in ram raids to a new government? They haven’t altered anything, so is there a thinking that because national is in government, they’ve decided they better stop doing ram raids? Think it’s more likely that the fad has died out as it was mainly online notoriety that many were seeking

i didn’t attribute anything to anyone.
i despise all politicians equally.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Now a 70% rise in sexual assaults, that's what the scum voted in.
Although from alot of comments from right leaning voters on this forum are proud of that!!!!!!

Can you explain this post? Who is the scum? Are you drunk?

 

[miket12]

So, National who got upset that $233 million was spent by the previous government on the abandoned Auckland Light Rail project and wanted to reduce the number of consultants have so far paid out just under a $1,000,000 for consultants for the Wellington Long Tunnel feasibility plan.

CORRUPTION!!!!

 

[Noitall]

i didn’t attribute anything to anyone.
i despise all politicians equally.

Sorry. I just saw a post you liked about an 80% drop in ram raids and it implied it was because of government and wondered why a 70% increase in sexual assault wasn’t due to government as well? Easy to cherry pick to back your point but the overall picture doesn’t always tell the whole story

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

www.newshub.co.nz

Coalitions pretty close at the moment. Luxon still not resonating though