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[wizard of Tauranga]

The money 'invested' in mental health might go close

$2b wasn’t it? Bit of a worry when Labour doesn’t even know what happened to it.

Meanwhile National have funded Mike King already who was actually getting stuck in at the coal face.

 

[John Nick]

You got to clean up the mess before you put your foundations down don’t you?

Sounds like good project management lessons. Let’s just watch and learn.

The infrastructure is badly needed and it's never ever going to be cheaper than now.
Just have a look at the history of infrastructure in NZ.
In Australia they build things and worry about the circumstances afterwards. Now just relax and enjoy the cricket and we don't want you blowing a fu fu valve

 

[Damo]

That light rail is a perfect summation of the last 6 years. Lots of talk, plenty of money spent, no delivery.

Phil Twyford really screwed us there, was so close to actually getting started.

 

[Inruin]

Phil Twyford really screwed us there, was so close to actually getting started.

Wasn't it supposed to be finished by now? What did Twyford do to stop it?

 

[Inruin]

Might have even overtaken kiwibuild as the signature policy to define Labours 6 years?

Shovel ready is another one. But I don't think anything will take over kiwibuild in terms of recognition

 

[Damo]

Wasn't it supposed to be finished by now? What did Twyford do to stop it?

Some Candian crowd offered their services to pay for it. It was already discussed in cabinet and agreed on funding but for some reason Twyford acknowledged this new offer (it was also more expensive over the long run for more or less the same amount of money). Naturally it had to go to cabinet to be discussed and deservedly told to go fly a kite. By that time costs had exploded and there had to be new modelling done for funding and of course it was too late for the original plan now.

 

[John Nick]

All very well discussing what who when but it's clearly the Transport situation especially in Auckland has to be sorted. Canceling improvements will just make things even worse

 

[Inruin]

Some Candian crowd offered their services to pay for it. It was already discussed in cabinet and agreed on funding but for some reason Twyford acknowledged this new offer (it was also more expensive over the long run for more or less the same amount of money). Naturally it had to go to cabinet to be discussed and deservedly told to go fly a kite. By that time costs had exploded and there had to be new modelling done for funding and of course it was too late for the original plan now.

I get the feeling it was never really a good plan to start with? Seemed like something that came out of the blue when it was announced and everyone kind of went huh?

 

[John Nick]

I get the feeling it was never really a good plan to start with? Seemed like something that came out of the blue when it was announced and everyone kind of went huh?

So instead Aucklanders have to settle for second best.
Doing nothing is not the answer

 

[Damo]

I get the feeling it was never really a good plan to start with? Seemed like something that came out of the blue when it was announced and everyone kind of went huh?

Surface light rail would have been good, it's when they started veering off to tunnels it turned into a shit show.

 

[marv.]

Might have even overtaken kiwibuild as the signature policy to define Labours 6 years?

where is @Bruce when you need him?!

 

[MrFrankWhite]

A brief overview of the 34 page plan that was news prior to the election:

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https://assets.nationbuilder.com/nationalparty/pages/18131/attachments/original/1690759286/Transport_for_the_Future.pdf?1690759286

So more of the same bullshit. to call NZ a 3rd world county is an insult to the global south who have functioning mass transit.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

All very well discussing what who when but it's clearly the Transport situation especially in Auckland has to be sorted. Canceling improvements will just make things even worse

How are you managing to post from the 1950s?!?!? Amazing tech these days

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

So more of the same bullshit. to call NZ a 3rd world county is an insult to the global south who have functioning mass transit.

You need millions of people in high density development for high speed rail.

Auckland is the only contender and it’s simply to spread out and low density. We need to be planning, protecting paths, etc but we’re to poor and spread out to provide what other countries do.

The economics need to lead the revolution in NZ and we want all the benefits without the hard work.

 

[Noitall]

So more of the same bullshit. to call NZ a 3rd world county is an insult to the global south who have functioning mass transit.

This is the proposed alternative

 

[John Nick]

How are you managing to post from the 1950s?!?!? Amazing tech these days

I have updated my crystal set

 

[MrFrankWhite]

You need millions of people in high density development for high speed rail.

Auckland is the only contender and it’s simply to spread out and low density. We need to be planning, protecting paths, etc but we’re to poor and spread out to provide what other countries do.

The economics need to lead the revolution in NZ and we want all the benefits without the hard work.

Bro I defend a lot of your posts, but you're out in the wilderness on this. Nationals servitude to the roading cartels in NZ is a fucking joke, yes Labour are shit, yes they dither on heaps, but they are normally headed in the right direction on national transit. National take 3/4 of the time to deliver but deliver the worst result.

Fact is, over the last 30 years National has protected said mafia from any threat NZs carcentric culture.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

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This is the proposed alternative

Good. Might be able to get me from AK airport to the CBD in under an hour.

No fucking joke I have avoided flying to Aucks on 2 occasions simply cos I cbfd dealing with the hassle and drama of getting around the place now the CDB is dead.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

You need millions of people in high density development for high speed rail.

Auckland is the only contender and it’s simply to spread out and low density. We need to be planning, protecting paths, etc but we’re to poor and spread out to provide what other countries do.

The economics need to lead the revolution in NZ and we want all the benefits without the hard work.

Do the reverse of the national cycleway. Build out the towns gradually with a modular plan to connect them in the future.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Bro I defend a lot of your posts, but you're out in the wilderness on this. Nationals servitude to the roading cartels in NZ is a fucking joke, yes Labour are shit, yes they dither on heaps, but they are normally headed in the right direction on national transit. National take 3/4 of the time to deliver but deliver the worst result.

Fact is, over the last 30 years National has protected said mafia from any threat NZs carcentric culture.

I believe Labour knew it was unaffordable and unachievable. They couldn’t fund it so they dithered around until National canned it. There is no other excuse for doing nothing in 6 years.

It’s alright having ideas but when your the slowest most expensive infrastructure building country in the world, we will never have good things.

Let’s start by having a 4 lane road between Auckland and Tauranga please. Just basic stuff every other country already has.