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[Worried2Death]

We’re renewing a consent for a septic system under Auckland council.

As part of the process 17 local Mana whenua have to be contacted to see if they have an interest and would like to submit a cultural report at our expense.

This is an existing septic system, running for over 15 years creating domestic type effluent all handled on site, that just needs a periodic reconsenting.

Disband this whole legalised extortion please National.

What's that system servicing Wiz, residential property or industrial/commercial buildings?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Ah but that's democracy my friend. You boot them out if they aren't doing your bidding

If central government gets involved, who is answerable to whom? The council whinges that Wellington starved them of their budget. Wellington whinges that the council aren't spending wisely

Cue the finger pointing and bloating / control of central government.

I'm a fan of small, but very accountable governments. A council with a narrow remit (rubbish, roading, parks, water, libraries), but 100% accountability to its rate payers

Democracy works at a national level with scale and where voters are engaged.

Locally, no body knows any candidates and only a 1/3 of voters bother voting. Who knows what you get or what they stand for. That’s doesn’t create a mandate for the people elected in when only 15% of possible voters may have voted for them.

How about the elected officials propose a budget eg rubbish 20%; water 20% library’s 10%; public transport 10%, etc.

Then electronically each individual voter can change the percentages which their individual rates go towards (but must still = 100%). Eg I make public transport 0% and water 30%. Ultimate democracy!

 

[MaybeTop8]

I just laughing at you regurgitating US foreign policy as fact.

Microsoft charted the increase through what it called the Russian Propaganda Index using tools that showed consumption of false news was 30 per cent above Australia and the United States.


That just laughable. As is your claim that because the site https://maori.news-pravda.com/ *exists* it is somehow influencing elections. I mean of course you know, The American Sunlight Organisation told you right? ( 100% not a CIA front, definitely not)

Tell us more about foreign actors running disinformation campaigns. I bet youre a wealth of knowledge. Lets start with the why? In your own words, why expend the time and energy and expense?

Frank, your conspiracy world has fallen apart due to it being the fantasy it always was and is.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

What's that system servicing Wiz, residential property or industrial/commercial buildings?

Commercial childcare centre in rural location equivalent to 3 domestic houses, all engineered to easily manage onsite.

If any of them object and demand a cultural assessment I will have to decide between Seymour and Peters about who I go to the media with to shut down this extortion.

Ps I’m paying council $5k base fee to recomply the existing system. And another $5k for an engineer to handle the council BS.

I love all those pro all this stuff on here that also complain about poverty and the cost of living…

 

[Worried2Death]

Commercial childcare centre in rural location equivalent to 3 domestic houses, all engineered to easily manage onsite.

If any of them object and demand a cultural assessment I will have to decide between Seymour and Peters about who I go to the media with to shut down this extortion,

I dont know if it's checks and balances or some sort of grift, someone has to keep an eye on you exploiters polluting our waterways

 

[BabylonPink]

Commercial childcare centre in rural location equivalent to 3 domestic houses, all engineered to easily manage onsite.

If any of them object and demand a cultural assessment I will have to decide between Seymour and Peters about who I go to the media with to shut down this extortion.

Ps I’m paying council $5k base fee to recomply the existing system. And another $5k for an engineer to handle the council BS.

I love all those pro all this stuff on here that also complain about poverty and the cost of living…

Sounds like your doing alright wiz and you probably eat well. You should complain less.

 

[Worried2Death]

Tell us more about foreign actors running disinformation campaigns. I bet youre a wealth of knowledge. Lets start with the why? In your own words, why expend the time and energy and expense?

I thought we agreed it was for this

 

[Worried2Death]

Democracy works at a national level with scale and where voters are engaged.

Locally, no body knows any candidates and only a 1/3 of voters bother voting. Who knows what you get or what they stand for. That’s doesn’t create a mandate for the people elected in when only 15% of possible voters may have voted for them.

How about the elected officials propose a budget eg rubbish 20%; water 20% library’s 10%; public transport 10%, etc.

Then electronically each individual voter can change the percentages which their individual rates go towards (but must still = 100%). Eg I make public transport 0% and water 30%. Ultimate democracy!

How about a Direct Democracy system like the Swiss

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Sounds like your doing alright wiz and you probably eat well. You should complain less.

Not me paying this, all gets passed onto to middle NZ…

It’s when good people say nothing, aye @Worried2Death

It’s middle NZ that complain when they can’t afford to eat because everything’s so expensive

 

[Bay39er]

Disagree. You can’t vote for lower rates, councils just won’t do it.

They have a monopoly and they all reference each other to justify higher charges in an endless spiral loop.

If they focused on the basic they can easily keep to inflation but fall back on blaming ‘years of underinvestment’ to prioritise nice to haves.

Is that a bit like tourist operators pricing?

 

[Worried2Death]

Is that a bit like tourist operators pricing?

It is because he passes the costs on to some other schmuck, he feels sorry for them though.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Is that a bit like tourist operators pricing?

Tourism is a monopoly???

You have to provide value because people have CHOICE!

 

[MaybeTop8]

What a wonderful egalitarian country where we're all equal. I think I'll text the pm tonight and tell him so.

Oh that's right I can't - I'm not privileged, entitled and uber rich

https://archive.ph/FtqTi

 

[Bay39er]

Tourism is a monopoly???

You have to provide value because people have CHOICE!

Only one Zoo in Auckland Wiz!

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I thought we agreed it was for this

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Convincing lefties to sterilise their kids, okay debatable.

Producing an unheard māori language website, that somehow results in negative sentiment to māori !? Yeah not buying that on Jim.

 

[Worried2Death]

Convincing lefties to sterilise their kids, okay debatable.

Producing an unheard māori language website, that somehow results in negative sentiment to māori !? Yeah not buying that on Jim.

Never heard of the website, sloppy job Ivan. But what about getting a Putin asset elected POTUS twice and convincing Maga he's an American patriot sent by God? Gotta hand it to them for that one.