Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[wizard of Tauranga]

Ah but that's democracy my friend. You boot them out if they aren't doing your bidding

If central government gets involved, who is answerable to whom? The council whinges that Wellington starved them of their budget. Wellington whinges that the council aren't spending wisely

Cue the finger pointing and bloating / control of central government.

I'm a fan of small, but very accountable governments. A council with a narrow remit (rubbish, roading, parks, water, libraries), but 100% accountability to its rate payers

Democracy works at a national level with scale and where voters are engaged.

Locally, no body knows any candidates and only a 1/3 of voters bother voting. Who knows what you get or what they stand for. That’s doesn’t create a mandate for the people elected in when only 15% of possible voters may have voted for them.

How about the elected officials propose a budget eg rubbish 20%; water 20% library’s 10%; public transport 10%, etc.

Then electronically each individual voter can change the percentages which their individual rates go towards (but must still = 100%). Eg I make public transport 0% and water 30%. Ultimate democracy!

 

[MaybeTop8]

I just laughing at you regurgitating US foreign policy as fact.

Microsoft charted the increase through what it called the Russian Propaganda Index using tools that showed consumption of false news was 30 per cent above Australia and the United States.


That just laughable. As is your claim that because the site https://maori.news-pravda.com/ *exists* it is somehow influencing elections. I mean of course you know, The American Sunlight Organisation told you right? ( 100% not a CIA front, definitely not)

Tell us more about foreign actors running disinformation campaigns. I bet youre a wealth of knowledge. Lets start with the why? In your own words, why expend the time and energy and expense?

Frank, your conspiracy world has fallen apart due to it being the fantasy it always was and is.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

What's that system servicing Wiz, residential property or industrial/commercial buildings?

Commercial childcare centre in rural location equivalent to 3 domestic houses, all engineered to easily manage onsite.

If any of them object and demand a cultural assessment I will have to decide between Seymour and Peters about who I go to the media with to shut down this extortion.

Ps I’m paying council $5k base fee to recomply the existing system. And another $5k for an engineer to handle the council BS.

I love all those pro all this stuff on here that also complain about poverty and the cost of living…

 

[Worried2Death]

Commercial childcare centre in rural location equivalent to 3 domestic houses, all engineered to easily manage onsite.

If any of them object and demand a cultural assessment I will have to decide between Seymour and Peters about who I go to the media with to shut down this extortion,

I dont know if it's checks and balances or some sort of grift, someone has to keep an eye on you exploiters polluting our waterways

 

[BabylonPink]

Commercial childcare centre in rural location equivalent to 3 domestic houses, all engineered to easily manage onsite.

If any of them object and demand a cultural assessment I will have to decide between Seymour and Peters about who I go to the media with to shut down this extortion.

Ps I’m paying council $5k base fee to recomply the existing system. And another $5k for an engineer to handle the council BS.

I love all those pro all this stuff on here that also complain about poverty and the cost of living…

Sounds like your doing alright wiz and you probably eat well. You should complain less.

 

[Worried2Death]

Tell us more about foreign actors running disinformation campaigns. I bet youre a wealth of knowledge. Lets start with the why? In your own words, why expend the time and energy and expense?

I thought we agreed it was for this

 

[Worried2Death]

Democracy works at a national level with scale and where voters are engaged.

Locally, no body knows any candidates and only a 1/3 of voters bother voting. Who knows what you get or what they stand for. That’s doesn’t create a mandate for the people elected in when only 15% of possible voters may have voted for them.

How about the elected officials propose a budget eg rubbish 20%; water 20% library’s 10%; public transport 10%, etc.

Then electronically each individual voter can change the percentages which their individual rates go towards (but must still = 100%). Eg I make public transport 0% and water 30%. Ultimate democracy!

How about a Direct Democracy system like the Swiss

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Sounds like your doing alright wiz and you probably eat well. You should complain less.

Not me paying this, all gets passed onto to middle NZ…

It’s when good people say nothing, aye @Worried2Death

It’s middle NZ that complain when they can’t afford to eat because everything’s so expensive

 

[Bay39er]

Disagree. You can’t vote for lower rates, councils just won’t do it.

They have a monopoly and they all reference each other to justify higher charges in an endless spiral loop.

If they focused on the basic they can easily keep to inflation but fall back on blaming ‘years of underinvestment’ to prioritise nice to haves.

Is that a bit like tourist operators pricing?

 

[Worried2Death]

Is that a bit like tourist operators pricing?

It is because he passes the costs on to some other schmuck, he feels sorry for them though.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Is that a bit like tourist operators pricing?

Tourism is a monopoly???

You have to provide value because people have CHOICE!

 

[MaybeTop8]

What a wonderful egalitarian country where we're all equal. I think I'll text the pm tonight and tell him so.

Oh that's right I can't - I'm not privileged, entitled and uber rich

https://archive.ph/FtqTi

 

[Bay39er]

Tourism is a monopoly???

You have to provide value because people have CHOICE!

Only one Zoo in Auckland Wiz!

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I thought we agreed it was for this

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Convincing lefties to sterilise their kids, okay debatable.

Producing an unheard māori language website, that somehow results in negative sentiment to māori !? Yeah not buying that on Jim.

 

[Worried2Death]

Convincing lefties to sterilise their kids, okay debatable.

Producing an unheard Maori language website, that somehow results in negative sentiment to Maori !? Yeah not buying that on Jim.

Never heard of the website, sloppy job Ivan. But what about getting a Putin asset elected POTUS twice and convincing Maga he's an American patriot sent by God? Gotta hand it to them for that one.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The Nats idea to put a limit on how much council rates can be raised is a simplistic approach without a lot of thought to the consequences…. Councils will simply privatise, go down user pays routes and increase their other levies and fees to suit.

Watch as subsidises to public transport is reduced, free and subsidised pool and library services become user pays, reserve and development contributions rise along with resource consent and building consent application fees and water rates rise…. basically everything else will go up to cover what extra revenue rates increases over 4% would have generated.

Hasn’t worked overseas…. won’t work here.

Damn, I’m starting to sound like @MaybeTop8. Shorted sighted policy very similar to Trump withholding federal funds except they’re “withholding” rates funds.

‘Labour leader Chris Hipkins said he agreed with the rates cap in principle.’

There you go. Consensus councils diabolical rates increases need sorting!

Debate closed.

Funding squeeze: Rates cap row puts CRL and ferries in the firing line

Wayne Brown wants a 7.9% rates rise to cover the $235m CRL running costs.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Worried2Death]

‘Labour leader Chris Hipkins said he agreed with the rates cap in principle.’

There you go. Consensus councils diabolical rates increases need sorting!

Debate closed.

Funding squeeze: Rates cap row puts CRL and ferries in the firing line

Wayne Brown wants a 7.9% rates rise to cover the $235m CRL running costs.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Debate closed my arse -Wayne Brown

 

[Bay39er]

‘Labour leader Chris Hipkins said he agreed with the rates cap in principle.’

There you go. Consensus councils diabolical rates increases need sorting!

Debate closed.

Funding squeeze: Rates cap row puts CRL and ferries in the firing line

Wayne Brown wants a 7.9% rates rise to cover the $235m CRL running costs.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Lets reopen it by being accurate with what we post

Firstly take away your quote marks which didn't exist in the article

Then set out the full version of what Hipkins allegedly "said"

Labour leader Chris Hipkins said he agreed with the rates cap in principle, but questioned how councils would still be able to pay what’s expected of them – their infrastructure, water, roads, parks, pools, libraries and so on – with it in place

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Never heard of the website, sloppy job Ivan. But what about getting a Putin asset elected POTUS twice and convincing Maga he's an American patriot sent by God? Gotta hand it to them for that one.

Getting a friendly leader installed is intelligence 101, do we really need to rehash that?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Lets reopen it by being accurate with what we post

Firstly take away your quote marks which didn't exist in the article

Then set out the full version of what Hipkins allegedly "said"

Labour leader Chris Hipkins said he agreed with the rates cap in principle, but questioned how councils would still be able to pay what’s expected of them – their infrastructure, water, roads, parks, pools, libraries and so on – with it in place

Great post. On point.

Unfortunately the person you are quoting has a noted and well documented history of this.