Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[miket12]

The Nats idea to put a limit on how much council rates can be raised is a simplistic approach without a lot of thought to the consequences…. Councils will simply privatise, go down user pays routes and increase their other levies and fees to suit.

Watch as subsidises to public transport is reduced, free and subsidised pool and library services become user pays, reserve and development contributions rise along with resource consent and building consent application fees and water rates rise…. basically everything else will go up to cover what extra revenue rates increases over 4% would have generated.

Hasn’t worked overseas…. won’t work here.

Damn, I’m starting to sound like @MaybeTop8. Shorted sighted policy very similar to Trump withholding federal funds except they’re “withholding” rates funds.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

duped by Russian trolls on Facebook

Super interested in Aucklands water management are they? No greater pressing issues? I guess everyone is focused on NZ as they were the worlds leading progressive government..

 

[juju]

Super interested in Aucklands water management are they? No greater pressing issues? I guess everyone is focused on NZ as they were the worlds leading progressive government..

For someone who relentlessly talks down NZ you seem to spend an awful, awful lot of time in the NZ politics thread of a NZ Rugby League teams forum.
Some Kiwi hurt you really bad didn't they?

I don't think Russia was particularly interested in Water Reform - more so Russia do seem to implement troll farm disinformation campaigns against indigenous cultures around the world.

Russian disinformation sites target NZ with te reo Māori content

'Pravda' sites in New Zealand are part of a global 'hybrid war' campaign.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[MrFrankWhite]

For someone who relentlessly talks down NZ you seem to spend an awful, awful lot of time in the NZ politics thread of a NZ Rugby League teams forum.
Some Kiwi hurt you really bad didn't they?

I don't think Russia was particularly interested in Water Reform - more so Russia do seem to implement troll farm disinformation campaigns against indigenous cultures around the world.

Russian disinformation sites target NZ with te reo Māori content

'Pravda' sites in New Zealand are part of a global 'hybrid war' campaign.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Are you trying to say kiwis were influenced to vote against Three Waters by watching a Russian Māori language show?! As I dont have a premium Herald sub, give us the raw numbers.. How many kiwis watched the show? How many polled voters mentioned it as influential?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Some Kiwi hurt you really bad didn't they?

The classic female trope. Too many too ignore at this point

 

[juju]

Are you trying to say kiwis were influenced to vote against Three Waters by watching a Russian Māori language show?! As I dont have a premium Herald sub, give us the raw numbers.. How many kiwis watched the show? How many polled voters mentioned it as influential?

There was no vote for three waters, there was a general election.

I'm saying there is disinformation campaigns run against indigenous cultures by foreign actors across the world. DUH.

 

[juju]

The classic female trope. Too many too ignore at this point

What's wrong with females? You only like men?
Would explain the toxic masculinity, insecure masculinity acting out you do...

It's totally fine you like men Frank!

 

[MaybeTop8]

The Nats idea to put a limit on how much council rates can be raised is a simplistic approach without a lot of thought to the consequences…. Councils will simply privatise, go down user pays routes and increase their other levies and fees to suit.

Watch as subsidises to public transport is reduced, free and subsidised pool and library services become user pays, reserve and development contributions rise along with resource consent and building consent application fees and water rates rise…. basically everything else will go up to cover what extra revenue rates increases over 4% would have generated.

Hasn’t worked overseas…. won’t work here.

Damn, I’m starting to sound like @MaybeTop8. Shorted sighted policy very similar to Trump withholding federal funds except they’re “withholding” rates funds.

What a fantastic post

 

[MaybeTop8]

Super interested in Aucklands water management are they? No greater pressing issues? I guess everyone is focused on NZ as they were the worlds leading progressive government..

No frank. Your conspiracy driven world is falling apart isn't it

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I'm saying there is disinformation campaigns run against indigenous cultures by foreign actors across the world. DUH.

Aus had a referendum to on the Voice, not a single Australian was watching indigenous language shows to be influenced against it.

Still struggling to see how a Russian māori language show had any meaningful impact on NZ voters. Although it is a pretty convenient scapegoat to avoid self reflection.

 

[defensivebomb]

The Nats idea to put a limit on how much council rates can be raised is a simplistic approach without a lot of thought to the consequences…. Councils will simply privatise, go down user pays routes and increase their other levies and fees to suit.

Watch as subsidises to public transport is reduced, free and subsidised pool and library services become user pays, reserve and development contributions rise along with resource consent and building consent application fees and water rates rise…. basically everything else will go up to cover what extra revenue rates increases over 4% would have generated.

Hasn’t worked overseas…. won’t work here.

Damn, I’m starting to sound like @MaybeTop8. Shorted sighted policy very similar to Trump withholding federal funds except they’re “withholding” rates funds.

I agree with this too. However, for a slightly different reason

Central government shouldnt dictate how councils are run. The council is answerable to its ratepayers. If they rates go through the roof, or infrastructure isn’t maintained, power is in the ratepayers to get rid of councillors. Meddling from Wellington just muddies local democracy

The government should be focused on national matters

 

[juju]

Aus had a referendum to on the Voice, not a single Australian was watching indigenous language shows to be influenced against it.

Still struggling to see how a Russian māori language show had any meaningful impact on NZ voters. Although it is a pretty convenient scapegoat to avoid self reflection.

The specific case is not a television show it's a website

Missing the point much?

Foreign actors run disinformation campaigns to sow disharmony in other countries societies.
Attacking indigenous cultures is just the new anti vax which exploded here in 2022 ahead of the Wellington protests.

https://archive.is/DwLRc#selection-3887.58-3887.82

Are you so resistant to the concept because deep down it's the David Goggins types that get sucked into it the most?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The specific case is not a television show it's a website

Missing the point much?

Foreign actors run disinformation campaigns to sow disharmony in other countries societies.
Attacking indigenous cultures is just the new anti vax which exploded here in 2022 ahead of the Wellington protests.

https://archive.is/DwLRc#selection-3887.58-3887.82

Are you so resistant to the concept because deep down it's the David Goggins types that get sucked into it the most?

I just laughing at you regurgitating US foreign policy as fact.

Microsoft charted the increase through what it called the Russian Propaganda Index using tools that showed consumption of false news was 30 per cent above Australia and the United States.


That just laughable. As is your claim that because the site https://maori.news-pravda.com/ *exists* it is somehow influencing elections. I mean of course you know, The American Sunlight Organisation told you right? ( 100% not a CIA front, definitely not)

Tell us more about foreign actors running disinformation campaigns. I bet youre a wealth of knowledge. Lets start with the why? In your own words, why expend the time and energy and expense?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

In completely unrelated news, Iran has been named as the source of foreign interference in Australia. Thanks to our brothers in Mossad with the confidential tipoff. We would have never have known if it wasn't for them. ( and Palantir of course)

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I agree with this too. However, for a slightly different reason

Central government shouldnt dictate how councils are run. The council is answerable to its ratepayers. If they rates go through the roof, or infrastructure isn’t maintained, power is in the ratepayers to get rid of councillors. Meddling from Wellington just muddies local democracy

The government should be focused on national matters

Disagree. You can’t vote for lower rates, councils just won’t do it.

They have a monopoly and they all reference each other to justify higher charges in an endless spiral loop.

If they focused on the basic they can easily keep to inflation but fall back on blaming ‘years of underinvestment’ to prioritise nice to haves.

 

[juju]

I just laughing at you regurgitating US foreign policy as fact.

Microsoft charted the increase through what it called the Russian Propaganda Index using tools that showed consumption of false news was 30 per cent above Australia and the United States.


That just laughable. As is your claim that because the site https://maori.news-pravda.com/ *exists* it is somehow influencing elections. I mean of course you know, The American Sunlight Organisation told you right? ( 100% not a CIA front, definitely not)

Tell us more about foreign actors running disinformation campaigns. I bet youre a wealth of knowledge. Lets start with the why? In your own words, why expend the time and energy and expense?

You really aren't that smart as you think I said that one example influenced a general election.

I said foreign actors run disinformation campaigns to sow disharmony in other cultures. Covid 19 was one, Indigenous cultures is another.

They do this to further their geopolitical goals by attempting to weaken other democracies.

I will add, some of us are highly susceptible to what we consume online * cough cough Mr Neo Nazi / Anti Immigration / Goggins

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I said foreign actors run disinformation campaigns to sow disharmony in other cultures. Covid 19 was one, Indigenous cultures is another.

Loool. And the Taliban hate Americas because of freedom . You are a walking media soundbite. Still unable to quantify how a website existing is influencing anything

They do this to further their geopolitical goals by attempting to weaken other democracies.

I think its the Ghost of Kiev again. That devilish mastermind is back!

 

[defensivebomb]

Disagree. You can’t vote for lower rates, councils just won’t do it.

They have a monopoly and they all reference each other to justify higher charges in an endless spiral loop.

If they focused on the basic they can easily keep to inflation but fall back on blaming ‘years of underinvestment’ to prioritise nice to haves.

Ah but that's democracy my friend. You boot them out if they aren't doing your bidding

If central government gets involved, who is answerable to whom? The council whinges that Wellington starved them of their budget. Wellington whinges that the council aren't spending wisely

Cue the finger pointing and bloating / control of central government.

I'm a fan of small, but very accountable governments. A council with a narrow remit (rubbish, roading, parks, water, libraries), but 100% accountability to its rate payers

 

[defensivebomb]

Just a quick note to participants of this thread. I have immensely enjoyed stepping back and watching the debates than partaking. It is a lot more entertaining and better for my energy levels

 

[juju]

Loool. And the Taliban hate Americas because of freedom . You are a walking media soundbite. Still unable to quantify how a website existing is influencing anything


I think its the Ghost of Kiev again. That devilish mastermind is back!

How about you quantify why Pravda would want to publish a website in Te Reo?

You seem to desperately feel the need to say how insignificant New Zealand is. Loool.