Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Noitall]

pretty clear what to make of it, i thought.
the photo (not sure if can be posted here?) is apparently from 2023 but completely unacceptable any time any place. especially from someone either in or with aspirations to be in parliament.
undoing a lot of hard work by others to be taken seriously and be treated with respect.

Would seem odd if there’s pedophilia that he would be so open with it? Hope he at least gets an opportunity to explain himself, though looking at him I think many would have already made up their minds based on other factors. Like how destiny are saving children from drag story reading. Notice Doyle had to apologise for not wearing a seatbelt back in January, so there’s certainly been a view to scrutinise

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Greens might not survive the next scandal, if rumours are even close to being true.

The greens would get a lot more support if they stick to the core Green issues. They seem to have lost their purpose and are a waste of space in parliament. What’s the last ‘Green’ initiative they went all in on? This weeks news was that we can’t even get wind farms approved in the country and they are busy attacking the police - priorities all wrong.

Still, no matter how useless, unprofessional and outright stupid they are, their polling never seems to suffer. Reflection on the values of their voter base I guess.

 

[marv.]

Would seem odd if there’s pedophilia that he would be so open with it? Hope he at least gets an opportunity to explain himself, though looking at him I think many would have already made up their minds based on other factors. Like how destiny are saving children from drag story reading. Notice Doyle had to apologise for not wearing a seatbelt back in January, so there’s certainly been a view to scrutinise

oh i wouldn’t have thought actual pedophilia man. just a super shitty joke, in very poor taste.
yet another own goal for the greens though.

they keep showing that they’re just as shit and useless as the other parties.

and 100% agree on the rest.

 

[Noitall]

The greens would get a lot more support if they stick to the core Green issues. They seem to have lost their purpose and are a waste of space in parliament. What’s the last ‘Green’ initiative they went all in on? This weeks news was that we can’t even get wind farms approved in the country and they are busy attacking the police - priorities all wrong.

Still, no matter how useless, unprofessional and outright stupid they are, their polling never seems to suffer. Reflection on the values of their voter base I guess.

Guess it comes down to perspective you mentioned on the trump thread because many would feel the same way about act

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Guess it comes down to perspective you mentioned on the trump thread because many would feel the same way about act

Great perspective. And it’s true.

So Act, Greens and the māori Party are all terrorists/ freedom fighters.

Let’s all just stick to National/ Labour

Squaring the circle!

 

[Noitall]

Great perspective. And it’s true.

So Act, Greens and the Maori Party are all terrorists/ freedom fighters.

Let’s all just stick to National/ Labour

Squaring the circle!

Fuck national and labour too. We should just vote a NZ government in. You forgot to mention NZ first, a true heel in the way you see the world like wwe

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Laws is becoming more reasonable as he ages.


View: https://x.com/theplatform_nz/status/1905417041630429666?s=46&t=N6rrXot3pBpvv2hdvhmStw

 

[MaybeTop8]

Laws is becoming more reasonable as he ages.


View: https://x.com/theplatform_nz/status/1905417041630429666?s=46&t=N6rrXot3pBpvv2hdvhmStw

Your fascist far right home frank

 

[marv.]

Your fascist far right home frank

just because michael laws is a fuckwit, it doesn’t make the story void.

what incentive is there for anyone to work in a low income or minimum wage job when they can get paid more on a benefit and give an extra 40-50 hours a week to raising kids?

and you don’t find it troubling the percentage of kiwis getting a benefit?

being a lifetime beneficiary is a fucking wild career path. especially when you have kid after kid and pass the bill on.

i won’t pretend i have the answers on how to fix it, but calling somone a fascist for finding it a concern for the future is pretty ballsy.

 

[MaybeTop8]

just because michael laws is a fuckwit, it doesn’t make the story void.

what incentive is there for anyone to work in a low income or minimum wage job when they can get paid more on a benefit and give an extra 40-50 hours a week to raising kids?

and you don’t find it troubling the percentage of kiwis getting a benefit?

being a lifetime beneficiary is a fucking wild career path. especially when you have kid after kid and pass the bill on.

i won’t pretend i have the answers on how to fix it, but calling somone a fascist for finding it a concern for the future is pretty ballsy.

Well the platform easily fulfils that category Marv.

As for welfare dependency - as with all things I'm sure it's complex. With generational gangs, drugs, alcohol, entrenched racism, neoliberalism enforcing these structures, all manner of things it will require time, effort, care, willingness from all in New Zealand, rethinking of our societal contracts, rewiring of the current and entrenched narrative that rules the boomer's world etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Which doesn't fit with the right, or centre of New Zealand.

So sure, Michael Laws can dogwhistle all he likes on a dogwhistler's platform.

Makes sense it works for Frank.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Would seem odd if there’s pedophilia that he would be so open with it? Hope he at least gets an opportunity to explain himself, though looking at him I think many would have already made up their minds based on other factors. Like how destiny are saving children from drag story reading. Notice Doyle had to apologise for not wearing a seatbelt back in January, so there’s certainly been a view to scrutinise

Agree. Just on a very superficial look, there needs to be some factual information here, it seems to me to be shaping into a hit job.

 

[marv.]

Well the platform easily fulfils that category Marv.

As for welfare dependency - as with all things I'm sure it's complex. With generational gangs, drugs, alcohol, entrenched racism, neoliberalism enforcing these structures, all manner of things it will require time, effort, care, willingness from all in New Zealand, rethinking of our societal contracts, rewiring of the current and entrenched narrative that rules the boomer's world etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Which doesn't fit with the right, or centre of New Zealand.

So sure, Michael Laws can dogwhistle all he likes on a dogwhistler's platform.

Makes sense it works for Frank.

so any conversation on it before we fix the whole world should be deemed fascism?

 

[MaybeTop8]

so any conversation on it before we fix the whole world should be deemed fascism?

As always, not what I said Marv.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Your fascist far right home frank

Hahhahaha thanks. I’ll say it again since you have trouble reading.

Laws is becoming more reasonable as he ages. He used to be completely out there and now seems to make a concerted effort.

 

[marv.]

As always, not what I said Marv.

then what is your issue with the conversation and what makes it fascist?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

As for welfare dependency - as with all things I'm sure it's complex. With generational gangs, drugs, alcohol, entrenched racism, neoliberalism enforcing these structures, all manner of things it will require time, effort, care, willingness from all in New Zealand, rethinking of our societal contracts, rewiring of the current and entrenched narrative that rules the boomer's world etc etc etc etc etc etc.

AKA I better blame anything else apart from individual.

Unless Laws faked the call, there’s a perfect example of personal decisions leading to specific outcomes.

 

[MaybeTop8]

AKA I better blame anything else apart from individual.

Unless Laws faked the call, there’s a perfect example of personal decisions leading to specific outcomes.

Sure personal decision making is a factor. Quite a big one.

It takes personal awareness to be able to make good decisions.

Personal awareness is quite elusive to many people, due to many factors, not least of which is intergenerational damage and entrenchment.

 

[MaybeTop8]

then what is your issue with the conversation and what makes it fascist?

No issue - merely affirming that the Platform is far right, Laws is far right, the topic of conversation is generally sitting within white boomer nz which generally leans very right and Frank can easily sit within these parameters, or at least appear to, at various times.

 

[marv.]

No issue - merely affirming that the Platform is far right, Laws is far right, the topic of conversation is generally sitting within white boomer nz and Frank can easily sit within these parameters, or at least appear to, at various times.

the conversation surely sits with every single tax payer in this country, no?

if we’re able to have concern over literally any/every other way tax payer dollars are spent, why not also this?

no one has said there needs to be a task force going around exterminating beneficiaries, but anyone should have concern for the future.

especially when in his words he quit a well paying job to get legal aid and now takes home a good chunk more that a LOT of new zealanders without working.

that’s an issue.


hopefully that all makes sense, i’m on my phone in the sun with that fucking dark mode and can’t see properly

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Sure personal decision making is a factor. Quite a big one.

It takes personal awareness to be able to make good decisions.

Personal awareness is quite elusive to many people, due to many factors, not least of which is intergenerational damage and entrenchment.

So what is the circuit breaker? You won’t like this description, however isn’t blaming history somewhat of a moot point? Where do we go from here to reduce welfare dependency? I’ll tell what the solution is not - disincentivising hard work & success in this country.