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MaybeTop8 said:
Sure personal decision making is a factor. Quite a big one.

It takes personal awareness to be able to make good decisions.

Personal awareness is quite elusive to many people, due to many factors, not least of which is intergenerational damage and entrenchment.
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So what is the circuit breaker? You won’t like this description, however isn’t blaming history somewhat of a moot point? Where do we go from here to reduce welfare dependency? I’ll tell what the solution is not - disincentivising hard work & success in this country.
 

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marv. said:
the conversation surely sits with every single tax payer in this country, no?

if we’re able to have concern over literally any/every other way tax payer dollars are spent, why not also this?

no one has said there needs to be a task force going around exterminating beneficiaries, but anyone should have concern for the future.

especially when in his words he quit a well paying job to get legal aid and now takes home a good chunk more that a LOT of new zealanders without working.

that’s an issue.


hopefully that all makes sense, i’m on my phone in the sun with that fucking dark mode and can’t see properly
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Well, people have concern over how taxpayer dollars are spent - for example I have concern over why so much is being spent on roading and not public transport, and why oil instead of energy like solar and wind, or why we're having tax cuts WE CAN'T AFFORD.

So sure, you can have concern.

But this conversation, solely focussed on beneficiaries, a repeat of a right wing trope going back decades that fits within a neoliberal framework that gets repeated time and time again with such a narrow scope for some - that's tiresome and not helpful.

If there is genuine concern about welfare dependency then it needs engagement from all areas of society, a willingness to embrace many different types of solutions including multi cultural, a willingness to provide wrap around services, a willingness to redefine what the exit points of welfare look like and a willingness to all contribute to a meaningful social contract, one that doesn't involve mass concentration of wealth for the rich.

And a realisation that there is no quick fix. It will take a generation at least to break this. If you want to look at root cause the dominant economic system going back 40 years in this country is neoliberalism. The right determine this, an elite group of business and politicians determine this. Start there.

It's complex.

That's about it for me today, Mr Brownstone the above is kind of an answer to your question too sorry for not replying directly.
 
MaybeTop8 said:
Well, people have concern over how taxpayer dollars are spent - for example I have concern over why so much is being spent on roading and not public transport, and why oil instead of energy like solar and wind, or why we're having tax cuts WE CAN'T AFFORD.

So sure, you can have concern.

But this conversation, solely focussed on beneficiaries, a repeat of a right wing trope going back decades that fits within a neoliberal framework that gets repeated time and time again with such a narrow scope for some - that's tiresome and not helpful.

If there is genuine concern about welfare dependency then it needs engagement from all areas of society, a willingness to embrace many different types of solutions including multi cultural, a willingness to provide wrap around services, a willingness to redefine what the exit points of welfare look like and a willingness to all contribute to a meaningful social contract, one that doesn't involve mass concentration of wealth for the rich.

And a realisation that there is no quick fix. It will take a generation at least to break this. If you want to look at root cause the dominant economic system going back 40 years in this country is neoliberalism. The right determine this, an elite group of business and politicians determine this. Start there.

It's complex.

That's about it for me today, Mr Brownstone the above is kind of an answer to your question too sorry for not replying directly.
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no doubt.
so, having a conversation about where our tax dollars are spent is not fascism then? nor does raising any concern about tax dollar spending make you fascist?
 
marv. said:
oh i wouldn’t have thought actual pedophilia man. just a super shitty joke, in very poor taste.
yet another own goal for the greens though.

they keep showing that they’re just as shit and useless as the other parties.

and 100% agree on the rest.
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If he thinks that's funny, even as some sort of meta-satire, it's as disturbing as Trump thinking it's funny to joke about leching on his own daughter. Fukn yikes.
 
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Worried2Death said:
If he thinks that's funny, even as some sort of meta-satire, it's as disturbing as Trump thinking it's funny to letch on his own daughter. Fukn yikes.
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then what? you reckon it’s a HiT j0B like MaybeSomeoneElse said?

doubt it.
why would they have disconnected all their socials and tried to hide their personal page and made it private?

what would i know bro? but my initial thought was shit joke come back to bite.

no doubt by way of destiny or some other kind of closeted leatherclad homosexual christian motorbike bully gang going through peoples life with a fine tooth comb to find something to take the light off one of their own being done for pedophilia.

praise allah daddy tamaki didn’t know or have anything to do with that rogue bad boy from destiny who was recently done though. what a terrible look that would be.
 
Tragic said:
If AI and robotics deliver on their promise the number of jobs will drop significantly. Most of us won't be employed. So wouldn't get to upset about beneficiaries or get on your high horse about them vs us.
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Maybe we can start to lower the retirement age again to keep the masses employed. Yet strangely they are talking about putting it up!

I guess automation then computing were supposed to put us all out of work and we’re all working more than ever. The future will be interesting.
 
Noitall said:
Prefer the Jeff Beck version. Gone are the days of the 4 finger bullets. Best to work ounces. Better yet, medicinal cannabis. Been a huge rise in medicinal usage
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Still a big industry waiting to be realised in medicinal cannabis, would do wonders for our GDP.
When these ketamine clinical trials are finished I bet half the country will be on it instead of antidepressants. Ever tried it? I haven't.
 
Worried2Death said:
Still a big industry waiting to be realised in medicinal cannabis, would do wonders for our GDP.
When these ketamine clinical trials are finished I bet half the country will be on it instead of antidepressants. Ever tried it? I haven't.
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It already is available? Majority of the green party have a script
 
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