Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Noitall]

I believe in reaction.

We had Jacinda’s govt being narrow and controlling in their focus (hence the current division). This has cause a spring back as the opposition has reacted.

The US has been quite narrow and controlling in their focus and hence those that don’t agree with them reacting

What’s your view on how both examples have been narrow and controlling?

 

[Noitall]

Sorry to burst that bubble, the citizenry thought sanctions were enough, because the news said so. No one in the general public went out and read them, or even bothered to read a dissenting opinion.

Don’t be sorry, doesn’t change my opinion. News reported on the outcome as they don’t set the rules. They can sway attitudes for sure, but what they or the citizens thought, wasn’t going to affect the outcome

 

[MaybeTop8]

I believe in reaction.

We had Jacinda’s govt being narrow and controlling in their focus (hence the current division). This has cause a spring back as the opposition has reacted.

The US has been quite narrow and controlling in their focus and hence those that don’t agree with them reacting

Narrow and controlling? The only thing narrow here is your viewpoint.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Act don't get their ideas in a vacuum. Their backers are amongst others, the nz initiative and Atlas

The long neoliberal con

From the University of Otago – Opinion: The Regulatory Standards Bill is another attempt by Act leader David Seymour to prioritise corporations over the good of the public, argues Dr Ryan Ward

newsroom.co.nz

 

[dean]

Democracy is being actively dismantled by power blocs on the right, and authoritarians the world over.

One thing that's horrible and fascinating at the same time is that the right have been able to twist the old money language of the left and somehow purport to be behind the working class, the champions of the poor. Somehow people have been able to believe that Donald Trump, or David Seymour are champions of the working class, of the poor. That they are against the "system".

They are the fucking system.

This framework is being enacted by different lobby groups around the world.

That's a failure of any kind of socialist or left leaning bloc too, and also a demonstration of how most mainstream media actually reinforce right leaning politics and retrench power.

The reason working class people support Trump and maybe Seymour to an extent is that they have been abandoned by their political leaders. The left has turned to personality politics and wanting to govern for minorities. Some sections of blue collar workers are even looked upon as rich if they have managed to get ahead, own a house.
Mainstream media certainly don't reinforce right leaning politics here, in the UK or USA.

 

[dean]

Women support her stance, because that’s how they view the world. Through feeling and emotion, on the individual level.

I suspect those women commenting in support are champagne socialists just like the writer.

 

[MaybeTop8]

The reason working class people support Trump and maybe Seymour to an extent is that they have been abandoned by their political leaders. The left has turned to personality politics and wanting to govern for minorities. Some sections of blue collar workers are even looked upon as rich if they have managed to get ahead, own a house.
Mainstream media certainly don't reinforce right leaning politics here, in the UK or USA.

Couldn't disagree more re: mainstream media. They're hardcore establishment and right leaning.

Let's look at what they are here: TVNZ - establishment, right leaning, but more centre with some interviewers. Three - nothing. NZ Herald - leaning very right in my opinion. Stuff - mixed but mostly right. ZB - far right. All of NZME - right

RNZ - centre left.

Most others if they have anything at all (and I'm talking "mainstream " here) are establishment right/leaning

UK and USA? 85% right and far right.

As for the left turning to personality politics, what does that even mean? The left have abandoned their traditional base, agreed.

 

[MaybeTop8]

I suspect those women commenting in support are champagne socialists just like the writer.

I KNOW you have a biased mindset Dean. Happy new year.

 

[Noitall]

Former exiles return as succession drama swirls around world’s richest throne

Meet the brothers Vivacharawongse: The sons of a 72-year-old international monarch known for his massive personal wealth but no clear heir.

www.smh.com.au

Looks like there’s a top job up for grabs in Thailand

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Couldn't disagree more re: mainstream media. They're hardcore establishment and right leaning.

Let's look at what they are here: TVNZ - establishment, right leaning, but more centre with some interviewers. Three - nothing. NZ Herald - leaning very right in my opinion. Stuff - mixed but mostly right. ZB - far right. All of NZME - right

RNZ - centre left.

Most others if they have anything at all (and I'm talking "mainstream " here) are establishment right/leaning

UK and USA? 85% right and far right.

As for the left turning to personality politics, what does that even mean? The left have abandoned their traditional base, agreed.

~2/3 of NZ journalists are left-wing - theFacts.

Deaths in New Zealand by Cause, 2019

thefacts.nz

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

I know not political, but further to that talk around tsunami’s I made, I wonder if they’re getting concerned about that Hikurangi subduction zone? Been seeing more and more of these types of articles in the last couple of years

 

[MaybeTop8]

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~2/3 of NZ journalists are left-wing - theFacts.

Deaths in New Zealand by Cause, 2019

thefacts.nz

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Pfff - right propaganda site - https://thefacts.nz/who/

 

[Noitall]

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~2/3 of NZ journalists are left-wing - theFacts.

Deaths in New Zealand by Cause, 2019

thefacts.nz

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Who judges these for the journalist to fall into each category? Is it based on their articles written?

 

[Inruin]

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~2/3 of NZ journalists are left-wing - theFacts.

Deaths in New Zealand by Cause, 2019

thefacts.nz

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But what is right and what is left? Even though these indicate left leaning I think you'll find they are still very right, right?

 

[Inruin]

Pfff - right propaganda site - https://thefacts.nz/who/

I KNOW you have a biased mindset Dean. Happy new year.

Narrow and controlling? The only thing narrow here is your viewpoint.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

• 65.2% of NZ journalists self-identified their political views as being left of centre (scores 0-4)

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

What’s your view on how both examples have been narrow and controlling?

Local politics - all parties are going very focused on what’s best for their voters rather than all NZers. And they are actively targeted the oppositions voters to fund their ideas. Eg take from one to give to the other - ultimate division.

Eg labour clearly focused on:

City people over rural/ farmers
Tenants over landlords
Employees over employers
Maori over others
Public transport over car drivers
Etc, etc

All the left loves it and the right hated it.

Now we’ve literally swapped the above and the right love it and the left hate it.

Division where govts (both left and right) are governing for their narrow voting pool over everyone and controlling by using intervention to force benefits away from the oppositions voters to your own.

This is exactly the same in international politics. The US has governed ‘the world’ in their own narrow interests doing the exact same things - forcing benefits away from others to your own countries benefit.

It’s obvious and makes sense to ‘buy’ your support and shaft the oppositions. But it’s divisive and doesn’t help all people.

Clark’s and Key were more central lifting all boats. Jacinda took it to the extreme targeting her voting pool. Highlighting how extreme Jacinda was is when National has simply reversed a lot of those changes back to pre Labour levels (tax rates, brightline, public servant numbers, raise speed limits, etc) they are being called divisive and extreme.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

• 65.2% of NZ journalists self-identified their political views as being left of centre (scores 0-4)

This.

Glad someone on here has critical thinking skills

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Lots of attacking the messengers instead of debating the message.

Massey university and Curio research polling are right wing propaganda

We all know why people have to resort to that

 

[Noitall]

• 65.2% of NZ journalists self-identified their political views as being left of centre (scores 0-4)

Called the facts so must be so? All journalists were sent a survey and this the outcome, guess we just trust what they saying is true regarding their findings. Wouldn’t mind seeing some proof before trusting that these guys are legitimately the crusaders for truth and unbiased journalism