What case? I'm just making observations, I have not taken any side.So the university doesn’t know what it was talking about and doesn’t understand statistics
Post some facts then to support your case. I’m open to it…
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The American election was expected to be close judging by polling, didn’t happen. Many feel that particular polls are friendly to particular parties. As your mate John Nick says, never spoken to anyone who’s been been involved in one? Can’t blame media for reporting the truth, shit government, shit policy
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If we can’t trust independent university research then there is no truth is there?
Trump would agree!
Let’s all head back down our rabbit holes and be happy our views right because everyone around us agrees
Noitall
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Yeah I remember in 2020, trump was on his way back into the white house after the early votes counted. Then lost. Full proof those polls and early counts
Noitall
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Not sure it’s the university people are sceptical ofIf we can’t trust independent university research then there is no truth is there?
Trump would agree!
Let’s all head back down our rabbit holes and be happy our views right because everyone around us agrees
That's really not the argument at all though.
I see no evidence to suggest that the media is predominantly right leaning. In fact the only real evidence appears to be quite contrary to that statement.
And the irony is you are dismissing surveys when you have been posting quoting one yourself very recently.
Noitall
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You tried to give it relevancy by saying every survey or poll would be the same and I gave you an example of a poll being hugely wrong, which I think what we’re discussing is. You mightn’t see evidence media is predominantly right, but I don’t see evidence media is predominantly left as what’s being made
Anecdotally, the general media appears very left leaning. I remember TV1 (I think) firing a toy gun at a Trump toy. Seemed quite unprofessional
I haven't said any of that regarding every poll or survey being the same.
I don't know if the media are more right or left leaning (my perception is they are more left leaning) but based on the only evidence provided I can't see any support for the statement they are heavily right leaning.
I mean it's fine if you think the government is shit and has shit policies but blindly supporting an unsubstantiated comment in the face of contrary evidence supplied based on an argument that the survey could be wrong seems a bit of a stretch to me.
This is a telling post that you dont understand stats. Which is more reliable 359/1200 or 1000/5000000?
Surely that is what you would expect of a good journalist in a democracy as their task is to hold the incumbent government to account which means “being” left when the right are in power and vice versa.
Leftish comments will sound biased to a right winger and rightist comments biased to a lefty
Jaysis, just listen to zb most times of the day.
I'll say it again. The output of a network or organisation isn't based on personal voting preferences of their journalists.
The exception here is of course opinion pieces, which will be undoubtedly closer to their own preferences.
It's telling that the majority who have commented here see the media as more left leaning. I find that bizarre. Listen to zb. Read the herald. Any of nzme's businesses. Read the business outlets. If that's your world maybe getting out of the dominance of these echo chambers might help.
The exception here is of course opinion pieces, which will be undoubtedly closer to their own preferences.
It's telling that the majority who have commented here see the media as more left leaning. I find that bizarre. Listen to zb. Read the herald. Any of nzme's businesses. Read the business outlets. If that's your world maybe getting out of the dominance of these echo chambers might help.
Come on mate, even you are better than that, surely.
Where did I judge the reliability? I was just disagreeing with him saying it was 1000 people that were surveyed.
Of a good journalist yes.
Noitall
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What was the point you were trying to make when you said “so, every survey or poll would be considered the same then”?
My point was that you have disregarded the evidence provided here based on the survey not capturing everyone. Yet you have posted previously quoting and referencing a survey that doesn't capture everyone to make your point. So either surveys are or aren't relevant.
Either way, in this instance I haven't seen any proof provided to back up the statement that the press are predominantly right leaning.
Noitall
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With what’s considered the left, you don’t often see them as big gun enthusiasts. Perhaps it was just a poor attempt of humour with the props at hand? Perhaps not everyone that dislikes trump is left leaning? Very surprised anyone would think to offer that joke after apparent assassination attempts. Poor form indeed
So were the 359 who answered the survey good or bad journalists and if we don’t know does the survey have credibility.
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