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[WA Warrior]

Lots of people on social media backing the guy shooting the insurance executive.

Class war? Sticking it to the 1%?

Continuation of the simmering undercurrent of disharmony experienced by many… where does it all lead us to?

When you have nothing to lose, there’s no risk in being extreme. With society currently, we seem to be creating more of those with nothing to lose.

Yeah Violence is not the answer and I feel sorry for him and his family.
There shouldn’t be a but after and I understand it sounds like I am condoning it but damn his company had some issues.
Not paying out in 32% of claims, people getting denied life saving care etc.
You would have to be a ghoul to be happy he got killed but if you put yourself in the shoes of some of the families you can probably see how this could happen.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Are you trying to drum up some sympathy for the parents of the "kid" that clearly raised a monster? Sorry, I don't have much sympathy. If they actually parented this kid, this wouldn't have happened.

Is it the parents; society of govt policy?

A lot of issues are directly from a lack of limits and boundaries and little consequences in the age of child’s rights (anti smacking bill; teachers can’t even cuddle a crying child; policing by consent, etc)

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Yeah Violence is not the answer and I feel sorry for him and his family.
There shouldn’t be a but after and I understand it sounds like I am condoning it but damn his company had some issues.
Not paying out in 32% of claims, people getting denied life saving care etc.
You would have to be a ghoul to be happy he got killed but if you put yourself in the shoes of some of the families you can probably see how this could happen.

IF there was a policy to deny, defend and delay some can see the CEO’s decisions as killing thousands - a mass murderer that the system is backing…

 

[defensivebomb]

The thing is we know nothing about the kid, the parents or the kids upbringing.

I'm more just pointing out it's a bit of a fuckwit that makes a joke about a child dying in the society he lives in... on a Warriors fan forum.

Well, a bit of context, please:

1. The child was no law-abiding saint
2. The accident had 14 other injuries
3. It is unclear who caused the accident, but I’m going to utilise a bit of commonsense statistics, and assume that under the balance of probabilities, of those 15 people, it was most likely that the child, given their problems, was a key factor
4. NZ has been hit with widespread lawlessness, so sympathy that would normally be given has been exhausted over the last few years
5. In the same period of time, absconders left a trail of carjacking victims in their wake, one of which was threatened with a machete
6. In the scale of making jokes, it is mild
7. Yes, this is a warriors fan forum. That hasn’t stopped forumers from discussing topics unrelated to the warriors

A distasteful joke yes, happy to acknowledge that. But let’s get off the moral high ground

 

[juju]

Well, a bit of context, please:

1. The child was no law-abiding saint
2. The accident had 14 other injuries
3. It is unclear who caused the accident, but I’m going to utilise a bit of commonsense statistics, and assume that under the balance of probabilities, of those 15 people, it was most likely that the child, given their problems, was a key factor
4. NZ has been hit with widespread lawlessness, so sympathy that would normally be given has been exhausted over the last few years
5. In the same period of time, absconders left a trail of carjacking victims in their wake, one of which was threatened with a machete
6. In the scale of making jokes, it is mild
7. Yes, this is a warriors fan forum. That hasn’t stopped forumers from discussing topics unrelated to the warriors

A distasteful joke yes, happy to acknowledge that. But let’s get off the moral high ground

Jeez, you're a plonker.

Lot's of presumptions.
Seems you think you know more than the minister herself who made public comment.

"My heart goes out to this young person’s family, and I am heartbroken for them. This young man had just started to turn his life around, and from the stories I have heard, he was proud of what he was achieving.

Sounds like just the type of CHILD a private school boy needs to shit on.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Yeah Violence is not the answer and I feel sorry for him and his family.
There shouldn’t be a but after and I understand it sounds like I am condoning it but damn his company had some issues.
Not paying out in 32% of claims, people getting denied life saving care etc.
You would have to be a ghoul to be happy he got killed but if you put yourself in the shoes of some of the families you can probably see how this could happen.

Sounds a lot like FAFO to me

 

[defensivebomb]

Jeez, you're a plonker.

Lot's of presumptions.
Seems you think you know more than the minister herself who made public comment.

"My heart goes out to this young person’s family, and I am heartbroken for them. This young man had just started to turn his life around, and from the stories I have heard, he was proud of what he was achieving.

Sounds like just the type of CHILD a private school boy needs to shit on.

You’re a barrel of laughs today

 

[Bay39er]

The left have a complete disregard for the trail of countless victims, only valuing “human life” it belongs to a criminal. The left don’t value the human life that car jackets threaten at knifepoint

Why do you categorise those who you allege disregard and don't value etc. are the left?

I regard myself as being on the left side of politics but don't hold these views & I'm sure there are some on the right side of politics who do

 

[Inruin]

National would not need Winston Peters to govern in latest poll​

Sam Smith
December 09, 2024 •04:00pm
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• National could govern without NZ First if an election was held today, according to the latest Curia poll.
• The centre-right vote is holding firm, with National on 34.2% and ACT 13%.
• Labour, NZ First, and the Greens all dropped points in the poll.

National and ACT would hold a majority in Parliament if an election was held today, according to the latest Curia poll.
The poll, conducted between December 1 and 3, has both National and Labour down 4.6 points from November, with National on 34.2% and Labour 26.9%.
The Greens are also down 1 point to 8.3%, while ACT are up 4.5 points to 13%. That puts ACT ahead of the Greens for the first time since February 2024.

New Zealand First is also down in the poll, dropping 1.1 points to 5.4%, while Te Pāti Māori is up 3 points to 5.5%.
Translated into seats in the House, the centre right would command 68, giving them a comfortable majority.

This also means that the National and ACT parties would not require NZ First to form a government.

Christopher Luxon and Winston Peters in the house.ROBERT KITCHIN / THE POST

When participates were asked what the most important issue is that would influence how they would vote, the cost of living topped the poll with 22.5%, followed by the economy at 18.8%, and health at 11.8%.

8.4% of respondents said Treaty issues were the most important.
The poll was a random poll of 1000 New Zealanders and has a margin of error of +/- 3.1%.
- Stuff

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New poll reveals big gains for Act, Te Pāti Māori, but National, Labour down​

By Jamie Ensor
Political reporter·NZ Herald·
9 Dec, 2024 03:44 PM3 mins to read

Both Act and Te Pāti Māori have had big gains. Photo / RNZ / Angus Dreaver

Both Act and Te Pāti Māori have seen big gains in the latest Taxpayers’ Union-Curia poll, while National and Labour have fallen.
The poll, which was conducted between December 1 and 3, was released on Monday afternoon and showed that based on a Parliament of 120 MPs, National and Act could govern together - without New Zealand First.
Both National and Labour fell 4.6 points compared to the November poll. National is on 34.2%, while Labour is 26.9%.
Act has jumped 4.5 points to 13%, while the Greens have fallen slightly by 1 point to 8.3%.
These poll results show Te Pāti Māori across the 5% threshold, up 3 points to 5.5%, while New Zealand First is down 1 point to 5.4%. There is also 3.3% who support another party.


This is the first Taxpayers’ Union-Curia poll since the hīkoi to Parliament. That saw tens of thousands of New Zealanders march in the streets, primarily against the Treaty Principles Bill, stewarded by Act leader and associate Justice Minister David Seymour. Te Pāti Māori is one of the most vocal critics of the bill and was heavily involved in organising the protest.
On these results, National (44 seats) and Act (17 seats) could just govern with 61 seats. NZ First would receive seven seats.
Labour would have 34 seats, the Greens would have 11, and Te Pāti Māori would get seven. These calculations assume that all electorate seats are held.

It means the current government parties - referred to in the poll as the centre-right - would receive 68 seats, while the centre-left would get 52.
In the preferred-Prime Minister stakes, National’s Christopher Luxon is up a touch. He’s on 27.1%, up 0.6. Labour’s Chris Hipkins is up 4.4 points to 19.9%.
While Act is up, its leader Seymour is down. Seymour has fallen 1.6 points to 5.8% - the same as New Zealand First’s Winston Peters, who is down 0.5 - and Chlöe Swarbrick is at 4.5%, down 0.7.
The polling found the economy (40.2%) was named most as one of people’s top three issues, followed by the cost of living (37.4%), health (34%), education (17.5%), Treaty issues (17.1%), law and order (15.8%), and employment (13.2%).
The poll was conducted by Curia Market Research Ltd for the Taxpayers’ Union. It is a random poll of 1000 adult New Zealanders and is weighted to the overall adult population. It was conducted by phone (landlines and mobile) and online between Sunday, December 1 and Tuesday, December 3, has a maximum margin of error of +/- 3.1% and 5.4% were undecided on the party vote question.

New poll reveals big gains for Act, Te Pāti Māori, main parties lose ground

But National and Labour are down.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[defensivebomb]

Why do you categorise those who you allege disregard and don't value etc. are the left?

I regard myself as being on the left side of politics but don't hold these views & I'm sure there are some on the right side of politics who do

Soz. Fair point. It was a lazy description

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Why do you categorise those who you allege disregard and don't value etc. are the left?

I regard myself as being on the left side of politics but don't hold these views & I'm sure there are some on the right side of politics who do

View: https://x.com/robkhenderson/status/1655122246724116482

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Is this true? Or is it some far right group stirring up shit?

 

[Inruin]

Centre/Right still holding pretty steady.

And that's on the back of making some unpopular calls and the treaty bill Hikoi. The Government has pretty much done what they said they were going to do. Quite a bit of action in their first 10 months of government really. If the numbers haven't really changed much with this last year then it will be interesting to see what happens if next year or two provide some economic growth and results.

 

[Damo]

Isn't it funny how we post the more favourable polls to whichever side we are on

 

[Inruin]

Isn't it funny how we post the more favourable polls to whichever side we are on

Indeed. Also funny how one different poll to what has been happening paints a huge picture if it supports your views.

 

[John Nick]

Isn't it funny how we post the more favourable polls to whichever side we are on

I still not heard or seen anyone who has been asked the question in any of these polls ever

 

[Bay39er]

I still not heard or seen anyone who has been asked the question in any of these polls ever

And you are unlikely to given that only around 1000 a time are asked, 50% would be women, around 25% would be say under 30, 50% would be living in the South Island so for an older male living in Tauranga how many of the remainder are you likely to know?

A: So close to 0 that it could be summarised as SFA!!!

 

[John Nick]

And you are unlikely to given that only around 1000 a time are asked, 50% would be women, around 25% would be say under 30, 50% would be living in the South Island so for an older male living in Tauranga how man of the remainder are you likely to know?

A: So close to 0 that it could be summarised as SFA!!!

So would the majority be polled by phone, email or whatever

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Centre/Right still holding pretty steady.

And that's on the back of making some unpopular calls and the treaty bill Hikoi. The Government has pretty much done what they said they were going to do. Quite a bit of action in their first 10 months of government really. If the numbers haven't really changed much with this last year then it will be interesting to see what happens if next year or two provide some economic growth and results.

All the left on here criticising Luxon and yet he’s helped increase the rights share to the point they can cut out a coalition partner.

I think the left should focus on Hipkins and how Labour will form a government with the Maori party rather than attacking the guy who’s quietly getting things done. A year of economic crap and the rights growing!

I guess all the attacks show how much they fear a results driven leader

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Is this true? Or is it some far right group stirring up shit?

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Not sure where this comes from or if it’s policy but it’s superb scaremongering by simply extending what was actually happening last term under Labour/ Maori.