Worried2Death
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Just in. Jenny Shipley says David Seymour is inviting civil war. Seymour doubts her judgment.
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No. Joseph was a builder/carpenter and Jesus from 12-30 apparently was one too before starting preaching. Carpenters may have been working poor/or middle class depending, but they certainly werent subsistence farmers/hunters..
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Worried2Death
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Yeah maybe, no mention of him being a tradie himself though, more likely a rabbinical student. Anyway I doubt this is important right now.
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Key came out saying it's bad policy. English is the only living tory ex PM to not pass comment.
The truth is he simply can't furnish any political, academic or legal support in support of the bill.
Seymour is so petulant in response, he should be careful given his penchant for messaging school kids.
Tomorrow should be interesting.
I can understand the negative reaction to this bill but I would have thought given the support against it that Maori would potentially welcome the debate. it would further strengthen their position and put to bed any more debate for decades?
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My brother loves genealogical stuff and made up a family tree using one of the genealogical sites on the Interweb. I'm always getting notifications from it and pretty much ignore them. But there was one that came in that caught my attention. I have a cousin in Hamilton "G", so has a very uncommon first name.... she apparently found out that there are less than 50 people with that name in NZ.
Anyway, I got an email saying that there was a match with a person from Hamilton (but with a difference surname) with the same first name who happened to be a 24th cousin of mine. Given the first name and that this person was from the same city as my cousin, I had a look online to see who it was. She wasn't my first cousin but I was related to her in that my 23rd grand father, from the Danish royal family, was the brother of her 24th grandfather who was also of the Danish royal family and whose grand daughter married into the British royal family and one of her descendants was Henry the VII.
Turns out that my 21st grandfather, going back to the 1,200's-1,300's, was the King of Denmark.... not that he was a good king.... everyone kept rebelling against him and he bankrupted the country in order to live a lavish lifestyle during a famine.
Then I looked a little bit further into this 24th cousin and found out there was a much closer link.... she is related to me through marriage. My first cousin "G" has a brother "A" who is married to the sister of this woman who shares the same name. So, my cousin "A" has not only a sister with this really unique name but also a sister-in-law.
Anyway, I got an email saying that there was a match with a person from Hamilton (but with a difference surname) with the same first name who happened to be a 24th cousin of mine. Given the first name and that this person was from the same city as my cousin, I had a look online to see who it was. She wasn't my first cousin but I was related to her in that my 23rd grand father, from the Danish royal family, was the brother of her 24th grandfather who was also of the Danish royal family and whose grand daughter married into the British royal family and one of her descendants was Henry the VII.
Turns out that my 21st grandfather, going back to the 1,200's-1,300's, was the King of Denmark.... not that he was a good king.... everyone kept rebelling against him and he bankrupted the country in order to live a lavish lifestyle during a famine.
Then I looked a little bit further into this 24th cousin and found out there was a much closer link.... she is related to me through marriage. My first cousin "G" has a brother "A" who is married to the sister of this woman who shares the same name. So, my cousin "A" has not only a sister with this really unique name but also a sister-in-law.
The issue is Maori have been excluded by Seymour in the formulation of the bill & he's chose to ignore all legal and academic advice around it.
You can't in good faith propose to change the treaty partnership without having the other partner at the table the whole time.
There was some good videos on YT with various celebrities or outspoken people getting them.
An African American guy who has complained about his family being slaves and wanting reparations ended up having a relative who was a slave owner. Others that have complained about racism. Only being the victim mind you despite some of their comments being racist. The sight of their face changing when they got told was gold. Some speaking on authority due to their ancestry only to find out it is wrong.
This is a good reminder that racism can be a bit more complex. A person we have spoken about in this thread or the one on the old site I know of an incident on them abusing someone. The person was helping fix something for her and she was wanting the white c... out of her house. An intimidating situation for the person due to them being young and there being a lot of people around. She just took him by his appearance. He is part maori.
Growing up a few of my friends would get abused from different maori guys and I'd point out to them "you know he's maori right?". Sometimes that would led to an apology, sometimes they go straight to sucking up and asking them about their family.
My wifes mother was interested in it (ancestery). More who you are related to. My mother would have been the person I'd ask when I'd get Facebook requests from family I'd never met. If you have ever had to get clearance it requires a lot of background checks or questions on where you have lived, family. I think one question was when your parents arrived in NZ. My mother could have answered the exact date. Now I'm stuck with my father whose response would be the year and it was raining.
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I've mentioned in the past some of the policies the parties have proposed haven't been sold well to the public. Labours' capital gains tax is a good example as they couldn't explain how it would work.
I don't watch the news a lot due to having young kids. The TV has been on cartoons or other things the last few years instead of the news. From what I have seen. Seymour hasn't sold this too well. he's mentioned having conversations about the treaty.
The key thing is the treaty is different to the CGT I mentioned. That is a policy the government can change/implement.
The treaty should be looked at as a deal. One side can't change it. Again if that is not what he is trying to achieve he hasn't explained it well. Instead it is creating a lot of division.
Another important distinction is, the treaty is a deal between two parties, but which one of the parties has acknowledged for decades that it has breached from the outset.
The inequality statistics are pretty stark even now. Fix those and... maybe have the talk...
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