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[WA Warrior]

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Does all the freedom of speech supporters support a ban on nazi salutes?

I don’t agree at all with the ban.

 

[juju]

And? normal people dont want to ride with stabby people on PT. Being sanctimonious about it wont solve it, and neither will holding hands and singing kumbaya

Just like you being sanctimonious on countless topics you write screeds on solves nothing...

He was making a comment asking why a poster was being pretty heartless about someone being murdered in the community we live in... and that's fair enough.

More people die from road rage incidents than incidents on public transport so it's by the by.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

More people die from road rage incidents than incidents on public transport so it's by the by.

You have the ability to not engage in you own motor vehicle, not so lucky on PT, which is the entire point.

 

[Noitall]

I don’t agree at all with the ban.

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Seems like Seymour agrees with you. Interesting that he cites the reason as it’s good to identify who the idiots are. That’s been many people’s view on a ban on gang patches

 

[WA Warrior]

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Seems like Seymour agrees with you. Interesting that he cites the reason as it’s good to identify who the idiots are. That’s been many people’s view on a ban on gang patches

I don’t really care about Seymour’s view.
I just don’t believe the government should control what comes out of peoples mouth.

 

[dean]

I don’t really care about Seymour’s view.
I just don’t believe the government should control what comes out of peoples mouth.

So you don't support any form of hate speech censorship?
Racial slurs are okay as well as homophobic?

 

[Noitall]

I don’t really care about Seymour’s view.
I just don’t believe the government should control what comes out of peoples mouth.

Or who they salute? AC/DC would be up in arms if they had a ban on those about to rock

 

[WA Warrior]

So you don't support any form of hate speech censorship?
Racial slurs are okay as well as homophobic?

Okay? not at all, they are disgusting humans.
Government intervening and punishing an individual for saying it I don’t agree with.

 

[dean]

Okay? not at all, they are disgusting humans.
Government intervening and punishing an individual for saying it I don’t agree with.

So if an individual racially abuses someone, you don't agree with it but don't want any individual punished?

 

[WA Warrior]

So if an individual racially abuses someone, you don't agree with it but don't want any individual punished?

Not by the Government.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

So if an individual racially abuses someone, you don't agree with it but don't want any individual punished?

no.

Harassment and stalking laws exist

 

[dean]

Not by the Government.

Okay. I'm sort of in your corner. I think the whole question of hate speech is worrying.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Okay. I'm sort of in your corner. I think the whole question of hate speech is worrying.

Banning Nazi salutes is even worse as now you are criminalizing body movements and gestures.

 

[Noitall]

Banning Nazi salutes is even worse as now you are criminalizing body movements and gestures.

Think there’s a cop over your way in trouble for a nazi salute?

 

[WA Warrior]

Think there’s a cop over your way in trouble for a nazi salute?

Think they have banned the salute in Victoria now.

 

[WA Warrior]

Okay. I'm sort of in your corner. I think the whole question of hate speech is worrying.

Yeah, who defines hate speech can switch from Individual to Individual, government to government and I find that problematic.

 

[dean]

Banning Nazi salutes is even worse as now you are criminalizing body movements and gestures.

No. The salute and seig heil go together.
I would like to see some consistency. MM are an ethnic gang supported by TMP. They jump up and down about cultural misappropriation but are happy to support MM losers saluting, chanting and wearing insignia supporting Nazi's.

 

[defensivebomb]

It’s whackamole lawmaking

The government, and police, should just be better focused on enforcing / punishing antisocial behaviour, of which the nazi salute is an example of

 

[Noitall]

Not by the Government.

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When you say not punished by the government, is this the punishment you advocate for that’s mentioned if this person doesn’t hand themselves in?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Yeah Im against the Aus laws about it too. These all make some ones else feelings more important than your freedoms.